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Old 21st May 2022, 8:01 am   #21
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Nothing much on web about book but someone is listing same copy I have on eBay: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/234285310149

The book covers both INS8060 and 6502, both hardware and software from scratch. Proportionally more on INS8060, exploring instruction set and CPU signals. If your interested in SC/MP I would recommend it. Its only 136 pages but its quite well written.

The HALT/CONT switch is useful when punctuating errant code with 00 opcode to see how far it gets. Before using the breakpoint handler in Elbug to check register values.
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Old 21st May 2022, 10:12 am   #22
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Thanks for the link David, for some reason my active searches missed it.
I couldnt let that one go for £6!

Back on circuitry, the David Aitken SC/MP system from Practical Electronics April 1980 has a nice single-cycle/continuous-run switch with a single-step button:
https://worldradiohistory.com/UK/Pra...cs-1980-04.pdf
...more discussion here: https://www.vintage-radio.net/forum/...ghlight=aitken

The 'mods' scan is slightly too big to attach, so heres a link:
http://www.mccrash-racing.co.uk/phil...itken_scmp.pdf

Of course theres a lot of similarity between these old systems, I think maybe a lot stem from the NS Applications Manual. I do like paper documentation and find these old books fascinating
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Old 21st May 2022, 3:41 pm   #23
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I found what seems to be the same Ian R Sinclair book on amazon, but date is April 1986. This is hopefully just a reprint of the original. Iíll report back when it eventually arrives.
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Old 21st May 2022, 5:31 pm   #24
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Found another one for sale (£7) : https://biblio.co.uk/book/practical-...r/d/1033676421
Also (£3.57 used) : https://biblio.co.uk/book/practical-...s/d/1456201298

For reference : PRACTICAL MICROPROCESSOR SYSTEMS by SINCLAIR, Ian R

ISBN 10 : 0408004967
ISBN 13 : 9780408004961

What is odd is that front cover shows picture of a Z80 system, but contents only cover INS8060 and 6502.
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Old 25th May 2022, 12:30 pm   #25
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The Ian R Sinclair book arrrived and whilst its a worthwhile addition to a collection, theres nothing that hasnt been covered elsewhere. It starts with the usual logic gates, memory and addressing, but I think a beginner would find it a confusing mix of SC/MP, 6502 and Z80. For example theres a buffer and I/O section which tries to simultaneously cover the INS8154 and the Mostek 6520. Its like comparing a steam-engine to a Tuesday.
There is a nice section on the KIM-1 with full circuit diagrams, memory maps and code examples. The introduction claims the book concentrates on two processors, the SC/MP and 6502 - which it mostly does - yet the whole of the assembler programming chapter is Z80 based using Zen. Overall, it seems to be a bit of a weird book lacking a specific intent, but all the same, its nice to have for six quid
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Old 8th Jun 2022, 11:48 pm   #26
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I found what seems to be the same Ian R Sinclair book on amazon, but date is April 1986. This is hopefully just a reprint of the original. Iíll report back when it eventually arrives.
Well this book arrived, turned out to be the same 1981 edition mentioned in earlier posts.

As Silvester noted, odd that the book shows a Z80 system on the cover but the Z80 barely gets a mention in the book.

The MK14 gets a brief mention and there is some description of the INS8154. Its probably a usefull introduction to microprocessor hardware for someone that has previous experience of basic logic circuits.
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Old 9th Jun 2022, 8:40 am   #27
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...shows a Z80 system on the cover but the Z80 barely gets a mention in the book
yours sounds different to mine Mark, not sure what edition mine is until I check later but the whole of the assembler section is Z80 using Zen
Does yours mention of ZIBL, a Z80 tiny-basic based on NIBL?
Its a weird mix!
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Old 10th Jun 2022, 7:02 pm   #28
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Mine sounds like Phil's again then it had a Z80 on the cover, no mention of the MK-14, shows you how to build a minimum INS8060 based machine on breadboard, covers the KIM-1 and a little bit of Z80 on the mentioning ZEN but nothing on ZIBL... so could be another variant. Cyan cover.
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