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8th Feb 2021, 7:03 pm | #21 |
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Re: BT to shut down PSTN by 2025
Sorry for hijacking this thread, what happens to phones if there is a direct fibre line brought in to the house? Does the phone still work or will it need a mains supply?
If the latter, that's no good If there's an emergency and there's a power cut.
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8th Feb 2021, 7:08 pm | #22 | |
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8th Feb 2021, 7:16 pm | #23 |
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Re: BT to shut down PSTN by 2025
Was that with a separate copper wire or just straight fibre with no more copper ever again?
Now I'm intrigued.
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To overcome a similar concern my cordless phone base station, as well as the VDSL modem are supported by a UPS, as is the modem router upstairs. |
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8th Feb 2021, 7:29 pm | #25 |
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Re: BT to shut down PSTN by 2025
That confirms what I thought, it won't work.
At least I can keep myself warm if there's a house fire during a power cut!
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8th Feb 2021, 7:43 pm | #26 | |
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8th Feb 2021, 8:23 pm | #27 | |
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Some new-build houses here have no provision for wired Internet/phones at all; they're part of a 5G pilot-project and from talking to the residents they think it's great! |
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8th Feb 2021, 8:37 pm | #28 | |
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9th Feb 2021, 9:20 pm | #29 |
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Re: BT to shut down PSTN by 2025
Manufacturers support for the current generation of BT PSTN exchanges ( System X and AXE10) will be discontinued after 2025. Existing PSTN customers will have to go VOIP. This can/will be provided over the existing copper network for the time being. There are already “ internet only” circuits available, which don’t have any DC conditions on them at all. (If that’s a wise thing is not for this post). I don’t know if there is any difference in cost between one of these and a line that also has PSTN service.
I can’t speak for other service providers.
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9th Feb 2021, 11:10 pm | #30 |
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Re: BT to shut down PSTN by 2025
Will the copper still be used and FTTC used over the copper to provide broadband and VOIP?
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10th Feb 2021, 8:39 am | #31 |
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Re: BT to shut down PSTN by 2025
Copper will still be used from Cab to customer for the foreseeable future. The only difference is post 2025 there probably won’t be “ traditional “ dial tone. As others have already pointed out, some service providers offer a hub into which a landline phone can be plugged, so it will still be possible to use old phones. They will simply work in a different way.
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10th Feb 2021, 8:49 am | #32 |
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Rick. The current FTTC service uses the existing copper line to your premises. The internet part arrives at the cabinet( well, nearby street DSLAM actually) by optic fibre. Your existing copper line is then routed through the DSLAM, and has the Broadband “mixed” onto it. POTS and Broadband are then delivered the last bit by your copper line.
There is an FTTP ( Fibre to the Premises), which is a direct fibre service but I don’t know much about that.
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As mentioned in #5 They were not offering a conventional plug in telephone even via their router. Cheers Mike T
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10th Feb 2021, 5:59 pm | #34 |
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Part of the point of the "FTTC rollout" has always been to perform voice-digitisation in the cabinets (for legacy voice-only phones) rather than retaining a vast bundle of - often aged and failing - copper-pairs back to the exchange.
This has taken quite a few years longer than originally they expected - and has effectively been overtaken by technology! So now the voice-digitisation is being moved to the customer's premises and it's then a digital-only fibre-path-all-the-way-back-to-the-exchange. |
10th Feb 2021, 6:47 pm | #35 |
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Re: BT to shut down PSTN by 2025
But the fact remains that very few routers have provision for plugging a normal (ie DECT) phone in, although you can buy VOIP adaptor units. Or for that matter the VOIP phone maintaining the same land line number you have used for donkey's years. I for one very much still use my landline as the main way to keep in touch (dumb mobile normally turned off). I am very concerned that the phone companies have given very little consideration and publicity for what is a major change.
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Perhaps the decision was made for them with the discontinued support for the present tech as noted by Tim in post# 29. Unless they bring a fibre to your property they will perhaps use the present copper with a suitable router that will work with older phones so you may find little difference. With the green cabinets holding the required hardware. I can’t see them bringing fibre to my house when FTTC is available if I wanted it. I will worry about it when it happens, I am not with BT but my provider uses Openreach copper. Couple of interesting posts in this thread, last two posts from 12 months ago. 5000 exchanges won’t be required. https://www.vintage-radio.net/forum/...d.php?t=163847
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10th Feb 2021, 11:18 pm | #37 |
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Re: BT to shut down PSTN by 2025
I was told of an advantage and that is to do with call disconnect. At the moment, if you are called and the caller does not hang up then even if the recipient of the call disconnects the call, the line will still be active.
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10th Feb 2021, 11:24 pm | #38 |
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Re: BT to shut down PSTN by 2025
That's the Called Sub Held (CSH) time out which was reduced in length relatively recently to combat that form of fraud.
Historically calls could only be released by the caller. The timer would then release a call if the caller failed to hang up.
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11th Feb 2021, 10:30 am | #39 |
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Re: BT to shut down PSTN by 2025
What prompted me to post the op was an e-mail from my router provider, Draytek, a few days ago which read:
"In 2025, all analogue phone lines in the UK will be turned off. DrayTek is having a free online webinar to explain exactly what’s happening, everything that this major change will affect and what you’ll need to do to prepare. " I registered, but unfortunately missed the webinar. I have e-mailed that to ask whether there is a recording that one can access. My main concern was mum who has a landline and doesn't want or understand an Internet service. Her mobile phone is pay as you go ("for emergencies") so she relies on her landline for most part to keep in touch. |
11th Feb 2021, 11:18 am | #40 |
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Re: BT to shut down PSTN by 2025
From what has been said so far within this thread, it would appear that Draytek's statement is not entirely accurate or at least is rather misleading, so it would certainly be interesting to know what they say in their webinar.
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