Invicta Record Player (1958) Repair. - UK Vintage Radio Repair and Restoration Discussion Forum

OldTechFan96 · 5th Dec 2022, 8:48 pm

Can anybody name this record player please?

The only identifying mark is an emblem of a prancing horse. A look online suggests this could be Agrosy or Invicta.

The turntable is a Collaro Conquest.

The amplifier is a 'one valve wonder' fitted with a ECL82 and a bridge rectifier.

Any information would be appreciated!

Cobaltblue · 5th Dec 2022, 9:05 pm

Is that an Invicta badge?

Hard to see on my phone.

Cheers

Mike T

Paul_RK · 5th Dec 2022, 9:44 pm

Looks like it to me, though I don't now have an Invicta example to compare it with. Invicta radios at the time were mostly clones of Pye models, so that might be a promising direction in which to look.

Paul

ben · 6th Dec 2022, 10:47 am

I think that's a Vanguard badge. I know Hitachi had a hand in them at one stage.

Cobaltblue · 6th Dec 2022, 11:10 am

A decent picture of the badge would help

Cheers

Mike T

Paul_RK · 6th Dec 2022, 11:37 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cobaltblue

A decent picture of the badge would help

The picture looks good enough for me (no smartphone), but I've only a memory of the Invicta badge to compare it with. Is this version any better?

Paul

EDIT: I think this settles it, the second image here is magnified from a photo of an Invicta Model 30.

Cobaltblue · 6th Dec 2022, 11:42 am

My bad now on PC I can see the 4th picture that I didn't see on my mobile (operator error I suspect!).

Yes that looks like the Invicta badge to me.

Ben do you have a picture of the Vanguard Badge I don't recall seeing one (other than car).

Cheers

Mike T

Edward Huggins · 6th Dec 2022, 12:52 pm

I'm sure that this in an Invicta. Argosy/Regentone did not use the ECL82 + MR format or Collaro units. If it's using a Collaro "Conquest" that would date it to 1958. In this period Argosy (Regentone) used the UL84/UY85 type of amplifier.

Welsh Anorak · 6th Dec 2022, 2:58 pm

And I rather hoped it was a Ferrari!

OldTechFan96 · 6th Dec 2022, 5:40 pm

Thanks for the replies so far.

The smoothing can is dated October 1957.

The amplifier does not have any identifying marks.

I'll have a look through my data CD.

Station X · 6th Dec 2022, 5:45 pm

Valve lineup?

Paul_RK · 6th Dec 2022, 5:54 pm

In the first post, just an ECL82.

fetteler · 6th Dec 2022, 6:22 pm

Lid open?

I like the look of it.

Steve.

Station X · 6th Dec 2022, 6:28 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul_RK

In the first post, just an ECL82.

So it is!

ben · 6th Dec 2022, 10:22 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cobaltblue

Ben do you have a picture of the Vanguard Badge I don't recall seeing one (other than car).

Have just seen it and it's similar but not the same.

Cobaltblue · 6th Dec 2022, 10:30 pm

Thanks Ben I will try remember that badge for the future.

Cheers

Mike T

ben · 6th Dec 2022, 11:18 pm

They seemed to use at least three variants! One with just an arrow/lance, one modification of the U in the word and another like that pictured.

OldTechFan96 · 7th Dec 2022, 11:05 am

Soon I will start working on a Collaro Conquest record changer that will be used in a record player with a live chassis (autotransformer).

Under the deck I noticed two capacitors (0.1uf and 0.01uf). I'm not too sure about their function at the moment but I imagine that they are safety capacitors that isolate the deck from potentially becoming live.

This is the first time in years that I've worked on a live chassis set and the only time that I've worked on a live chassis record player so I thought I'd ask here before I proceed.

Since these components are safety critical, I'd wager that suitable mains suppression capacitors should be used.

Should X type or Y types be used here?

Thanks

Jan Zodiac · 7th Dec 2022, 11:47 am

Y types to be used when connected between mains and chassis. X types to be used when connected across mains. So in your case, use Y specified caps since one end is connected to chassis.
In general, ALWAYS replace safety caps! Only safe thing about old safety caps is, that it is safe to say they will fail.

Regards,

Jan

Nickthedentist · 7th Dec 2022, 11:56 am

These caps look fairly new though, certainly not the originals.

5th Dec 2022, 8:48 pm	#1
OldTechFan96 Octode Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Newcastle Upon Tyne, Tyne & Wear, UK. Posts: 1,178	Invicta Record Player (1958) Repair. Can anybody name this record player please? The only identifying mark is an emblem of a prancing horse. A look online suggests this could be Agrosy or Invicta. The turntable is a Collaro Conquest. The amplifier is a 'one valve wonder' fitted with a ECL82 and a bridge rectifier. Any information would be appreciated! Attached Thumbnails

5th Dec 2022, 9:05 pm	#2
Cobaltblue Moderator Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Exeter, Devon and Poole, Dorset UK. Posts: 6,865	Re: Can Any Anybody Recognise This Record Player? Is that an Invicta badge? Hard to see on my phone. Cheers Mike T __________________ Invisible airwaves crackle with life or at least they used to Mike T BVWS member. www.cossor.co.uk

5th Dec 2022, 9:44 pm	#3
Paul_RK Dekatron Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Fakenham, Norfolk, UK. Posts: 4,255	Re: Can Any Anybody Recognise This Record Player? Looks like it to me, though I don't now have an Invicta example to compare it with. Invicta radios at the time were mostly clones of Pye models, so that might be a promising direction in which to look. Paul

6th Dec 2022, 10:47 am	#4
ben Dekatron Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Madrid, Spain / Wirral, UK Posts: 7,498	Re: Can Any Anybody Recognise This Record Player? I think that's a Vanguard badge. I know Hitachi had a hand in them at one stage. __________________ Regards, Ben.

6th Dec 2022, 11:10 am	#5
Cobaltblue Moderator Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Exeter, Devon and Poole, Dorset UK. Posts: 6,865	Re: Can Any Anybody Recognise This Record Player? A decent picture of the badge would help Cheers Mike T __________________ Invisible airwaves crackle with life or at least they used to Mike T BVWS member. www.cossor.co.uk

6th Dec 2022, 11:42 am	#7
Cobaltblue Moderator Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Exeter, Devon and Poole, Dorset UK. Posts: 6,865	Re: Can Any Anybody Recognise This Record Player? My bad now on PC I can see the 4th picture that I didn't see on my mobile (operator error I suspect!). Yes that looks like the Invicta badge to me. Ben do you have a picture of the Vanguard Badge I don't recall seeing one (other than car). Cheers Mike T __________________ Invisible airwaves crackle with life or at least they used to Mike T BVWS member. www.cossor.co.uk

6th Dec 2022, 12:52 pm	#8
Edward Huggins Dekatron Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: Southwold, Suffolk, UK. Posts: 8,327	Re: Can Any Anybody Recognise This Record Player? I'm sure that this in an Invicta. Argosy/Regentone did not use the ECL82 + MR format or Collaro units. If it's using a Collaro "Conquest" that would date it to 1958. In this period Argosy (Regentone) used the UL84/UY85 type of amplifier. __________________ Edward.

6th Dec 2022, 2:58 pm	#9
Welsh Anorak Dekatron Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: North Wales, UK. Posts: 6,918	Re: Can Any Anybody Recognise This Record Player? And I rather hoped it was a Ferrari! __________________ Glyn www.gdelectronics.wales

6th Dec 2022, 5:40 pm	#10
OldTechFan96 Octode Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Newcastle Upon Tyne, Tyne & Wear, UK. Posts: 1,178	Re: Can Any Anybody Recognise This Record Player? Thanks for the replies so far. The smoothing can is dated October 1957. The amplifier does not have any identifying marks. I'll have a look through my data CD.

6th Dec 2022, 5:45 pm	#11
Station X Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ipswich, Suffolk, IP4, UK. Posts: 21,288	Re: Can Any Anybody Recognise This Record Player? Valve lineup? __________________ Graham. Forum Moderator Reach for your meter before you reach for your soldering iron.

6th Dec 2022, 5:54 pm	#12
Paul_RK Dekatron Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Fakenham, Norfolk, UK. Posts: 4,255	Re: Can Any Anybody Recognise This Record Player? In the first post, just an ECL82.

6th Dec 2022, 6:22 pm	#13
fetteler Octode Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Staffordshire Moorlands, UK. Posts: 1,475	Re: Can Any Anybody Recognise This Record Player? Lid open? I like the look of it. Steve. __________________ Those who lack imagination cannot imagine what is lacking...

6th Dec 2022, 10:30 pm	#16
Cobaltblue Moderator Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Exeter, Devon and Poole, Dorset UK. Posts: 6,865	Re: Can Any Anybody Recognise This Record Player? Thanks Ben I will try remember that badge for the future. Cheers Mike T __________________ Invisible airwaves crackle with life or at least they used to Mike T BVWS member. www.cossor.co.uk

6th Dec 2022, 11:18 pm	#17
ben Dekatron Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Madrid, Spain / Wirral, UK Posts: 7,498	Re: Can Any Anybody Recognise This Record Player? They seemed to use at least three variants! One with just an arrow/lance, one modification of the U in the word and another like that pictured. __________________ Regards, Ben.

7th Dec 2022, 11:05 am	#18
OldTechFan96 Octode Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Newcastle Upon Tyne, Tyne & Wear, UK. Posts: 1,178	Collaro Conquest Safety Capacitors? Soon I will start working on a Collaro Conquest record changer that will be used in a record player with a live chassis (autotransformer). Under the deck I noticed two capacitors (0.1uf and 0.01uf). I'm not too sure about their function at the moment but I imagine that they are safety capacitors that isolate the deck from potentially becoming live. This is the first time in years that I've worked on a live chassis set and the only time that I've worked on a live chassis record player so I thought I'd ask here before I proceed. Since these components are safety critical, I'd wager that suitable mains suppression capacitors should be used. Should X type or Y types be used here? Thanks Attached Thumbnails

7th Dec 2022, 11:47 am	#19
Jan Zodiac Pentode Join Date: Sep 2021 Location: Aabenraa, South Jutland, Denmark. Posts: 224	Re: Collaro Conquest Safety Capacitors? Y types to be used when connected between mains and chassis. X types to be used when connected across mains. So in your case, use Y specified caps since one end is connected to chassis. In general, ALWAYS replace safety caps! Only safe thing about old safety caps is, that it is safe to say they will fail. Regards, Jan

7th Dec 2022, 11:56 am	#20
Nickthedentist Dekatron Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Oxford, UK. Posts: 17,844	Re: Collaro Conquest Safety Capacitors? These caps look fairly new though, certainly not the originals.