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15th Mar 2024, 5:38 pm | #41 |
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Re: X-Ray protection, Commodore 1084S-D1 CRT
A1 and 'screen' are the same in this context. I've tried to only use the word screen (A1) as the adjustment, as opposed to the front displayed image. The front displayed image can also be called 'screen' just to add confusion, that's why Ive tried to refer to it as display. Hope that has helped a bit.
It will be interesting to see what the monitor displays with the correct computer input. Re the squealing and possible spark noise, visibly check all the ceramic capacitors in both the power supply and line output stage. Do this with the monitor off first. You are looking for any cracks and or burn/flash marks in the capacitor insulation. It will be obvious if there is one. If you can't see anything obvious, then try powering up the monitor in a darkened room and and look for any flashes in the same 2 areas. If that doen't reveal any culprits, check the crt base pcb and crt socket. There could be a capacitor or a spark gap breaking down on it. Dave
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15th Mar 2024, 6:23 pm | #42 | |
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Re: X-Ray protection, Commodore 1084S-D1 CRT
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Do I need to adjust it to a very dark grey? |
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15th Mar 2024, 7:15 pm | #43 |
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Re: X-Ray protection, Commodore 1084S-D1 CRT
I always adjust it so that with max brightness, zero contrast and no signal, the screen is grey without flyback lines visible. The proper procedure will be in the service manual. It might be called G2 instead of A1. The former meaning second grid, the latter first anode. The construction is neither a grid nor an anode, but we have to call it something...
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16th Mar 2024, 11:57 am | #44 |
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Re: X-Ray protection, Commodore 1084S-D1 CRT
I shouldn't have listened to Google, everywhere it said "high-pitch whine = bad flyback", but the original flyback was fine
So, it turned out to just be that transistor in the EW circuit and the diode in the HOT circuit It sounds like I could have used the new flyback, but I would have had to change the value of the tuning capacitor in the HOT circuit. Thanks for all the help, it's much appreciated |
16th Mar 2024, 12:57 pm | #45 |
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Re: X-Ray protection, Commodore 1084S-D1 CRT
Given the almost 10% difference in the +15V measurement and the activation of the protection circuit, it's likely some tuning would have been necessary.
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16th Mar 2024, 1:27 pm | #46 |
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Re: X-Ray protection, Commodore 1084S-D1 CRT
Looks like I need to find VR323
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16th Mar 2024, 4:41 pm | #47 |
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Re: X-Ray protection, Commodore 1084S-D1 CRT
A great result! I followed this thread with interest as I have a much older late 50s TV set also with an EHT fault like your monitor. I also tried a replacement LOPT (flyback transformer) like you did here but the actual apparent fault was a high voltage breakdown in the scan coils killing the EHT. A similar set of replacement scan coils were kindly donated to me by forum member Heatercathodeshort which solved the EHT problem.
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17th Mar 2024, 2:23 pm | #48 |
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Re: X-Ray protection, Commodore 1084S-D1 CRT
There is a lot of mis-information on Google....usually because of inexperienced people reading theoretical faults from different sources and then getting it all mixed up....plus there are a lot of 'Americanisms' being used that cause confusion to us Brits (as no doubt our terminology does to Americans)! There are a lot of well-meaning people who try to help but in themselves are 'successful dabblers' with limited formal training. There are also some very good to excellent ones out there....it's a question of sorting out the good from the bad.
Looks like you got a good result in the end so well done for persevering.
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17th Mar 2024, 5:42 pm | #49 |
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Re: X-Ray protection, Commodore 1084S-D1 CRT
I'm not quite there yet The pincushioning trim does nothing and I get intermittent screen rolling, but H-Hold trim does nothing
I'm going to try another video source. |
18th Mar 2024, 12:14 pm | #50 |
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Re: X-Ray protection, Commodore 1084S-D1 CRT
Don't forget rolling would require adjustment of the V-HOLD preset.
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18th Mar 2024, 1:13 pm | #51 |
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Re: X-Ray protection, Commodore 1084S-D1 CRT
Thanks sexton_mallard & Sideband for following and your congrat's, but still a little way to go.
I don't see a V-Hold adjustment. the rolling seems intermittent , so I think I might start a new topic to deal with the pincushioning first. |
18th Mar 2024, 1:34 pm | #52 |
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Re: X-Ray protection, Commodore 1084S-D1 CRT
Please don't start a new thread. It can all be dealt with in this one.
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18th Mar 2024, 3:49 pm | #53 |
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18th Mar 2024, 4:08 pm | #54 |
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Re: X-Ray protection, Commodore 1084S-D1 CRT
Pincushioning: Adjusting does nothing!
I think I might be close to finding something, but too much electronics hurts my head So far: >I removed C312 just to see if the circuit was doing anything, but the picture looked the same. >I found that R332 was a 75K, not a 47K that the diagram said, I thought maybe someone in the past had fitted the wrong value. >Now here's the thing that makes me think I've missed a faulty component, with R320 and R332 removed, I get a 1.5K reading (1.9 with MM probes reversed) between the pads where they were connected (obviously not the end where they joined). I had already replaced Q301 and because H.size works I assumed Q302 must work. I also think I tested C333, but maybe I should check it again. Q301 went short, so it makes sense something else near may have got damaged. |
18th Mar 2024, 5:21 pm | #55 |
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Re: X-Ray protection, Commodore 1084S-D1 CRT
1.65K with MM probes reversed, not 1.9k
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18th Mar 2024, 6:08 pm | #56 |
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Re: X-Ray protection, Commodore 1084S-D1 CRT
I checked the parts list, R332 should be a 75K, it's just wrong on the diagram.
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18th Mar 2024, 6:17 pm | #57 |
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Re: X-Ray protection, Commodore 1084S-D1 CRT
Got to be Q302 short I'm thinking
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18th Mar 2024, 7:28 pm | #58 |
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Re: X-Ray protection, Commodore 1084S-D1 CRT
See the attached photo of Q302 transistor in my component tester, fingers crossed
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18th Mar 2024, 8:50 pm | #59 |
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Re: X-Ray protection, Commodore 1084S-D1 CRT
That would explain a lot. Just to make sure, did you test or replace Q301 as well / previously?
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19th Mar 2024, 9:35 am | #60 |
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