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Old 19th Jun 2021, 8:25 am   #1
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Television magazine I am trying to find any scans not on the worldradiohistory.com site i am interested as it seems around this time a 20 min film about John logie Bairds 30 line system was reported and cinemas where it would be displayed ,talking with Iain Baird thinks the film is lost now not being in any archive in the UK .
Just scan of this would be great even as little as what the report said name of film such perhaps cinemas used in the article .
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Old 19th Jun 2021, 10:53 am   #2
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Practical Television first appeared as a supplement to Practical Wireless in December 1933 and was published as a separate monthly magazine from September 1934 to November 1935, reverting to a PW supplement from November 1935 until April 1940.

Copies of the fifteen 1930s PT stand-alone magazines are extremely rare. I have only ever seen two appear on eBay, one of which subsequently appeared on the WRH site, so I assume that David Gleason was the successful bidder. I don't know of any other publicly-available archive containing copies of these magazines.
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I think TS means this magazine (of which many issues from 1932 and 1933 are still missing): https://worldradiohistory.com/Televi...aster_Page.htm
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Old 19th Jun 2021, 11:27 am   #4
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Thanks guys the radio history site does not have the Uk Television magazine 32 and 33 issues with the information ,the information on the missing john logie baird documentary is in one of the missing issues ..feb march april may july sept dec 32 ,33 they only have the feb and dec issues the information is in one or more of the issues radiohistory do not have .

The Documentary was mentioned in one or more of the issues and the theatres in the uk it would it played in ...love to know what it was called at least ,as far as we know only a few stills and scraps of film remain used by M baird in a 2002 documentary The Man who Saw the Future
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Ah yes, the magazine of the Television Society. Apologies for the confusion - arising from Practical Television later dropping the "Practical".
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Ah yes, the magazine of the Television Society. Apologies for the confusion - arising from Practical Television later dropping the "Practical".
Chris long and i are trying to track those issues down and to the page or pages that have the information ..
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So far i have found an issue of Television Nov 32 that mentions the British Gaumont film so we know the 20 minute film was made in 1932 or at least released then ,still no mention of the name
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That article mentions that the film was shown "on the Gaumont Sound Mirror" which was a weekly one-reeler cine-magazine series produced between 1930 and 1932. It was the sound version of the already-existing silent "Gaumont Mirror" (tagline: "Reflects Everything New and Novel"). So I should think it's quite likely that the piece with Baird was a section of an edition of Gaumont Sound Mirror, rather than being a standalone short subject.

Cine-magazines were a (often light-hearted) regular accompaniment to the cinema newsreel. Two famous series were Pathe (Colour) Pictorial and Rank's Look at Life, among many others.

Ironically, the Gaumont British studios at Shepherds Bush later became BBC Lime Grove.

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That article mentions that the film was shown "on the Gaumont Sound Mirror" which was a weekly one-reeler cine-magazine series produced between 1930 and 1932. It was the sound version of the already-existing silent "Gaumont Mirror" (tagline: "Reflects Everything New and Novel"). So I should think it's quite likely that the piece with Baird was a section of an edition of Gaumont Sound Mirror, rather than being a standalone short subject.

Cine-magazines were a (often light-hearted) regular accompaniment to the cinema newsreel. Two famous series were Pathe (Colour) Pictorial and Rank's Look at Life, among many others.

Ironically, the Gaumont British studios at Shepherds Bush later became BBC Lime Grove.

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Thank you Phil sorry for the late reply ! thanks very interesting and very helpful .
i sure hope it was what you think as it may still exist ! i will pass this information onto Iain Baird
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Yes very interesting info there! I had a similar problem with magazines of the same name but different origins, when doing some research into Practical Television magazine and it's emergence from Practical Wireless [Dave M post 5*] When in the South, I am living a few hundred yards away from where JLB died in 1946 [after living in Bexhill for seven years]. They knocked down "Baird Court" his house next to the station in Sea Road several years ago and replaced the overall area with two huge blocks of flats which, with some prodding, were named Baird and Helensborough [where he's buried!]. There's a plaque as well. Ian Baird's father wrote to the Bexhill Observer on at least one occasion during the development phase and I think his son came to Bexhill for the opening [from the Bradford Film and Television Museum]. Despite all this, it's hard to get the locals interested in JLB wheras Hastings has a different attitude, despite him only being there for a short while in 1922 and blowing up the Shopping Arcade! There were one or two people still living in the immediate area and a gentleman appeared in a BBC Documentary who had worked for JLB. He might have known about the film if asked. I suspect they must be all long gone now though. I will keep a look out myself. A local "high end" auction a few years back turned up an obscure, very limited, piece of equipment that had apparently been in the Baird Workshop in the thirties.

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Are any of the 1930's books on television rare?

My dad was working on TV in the 30's and had some stuff, I kept all that I found when he died but most magazines were cut up for the interesting articles. Not certain where they are, don't think I binned them. He went on a TV course at Echo - I think - in the late 30's, was subsequently head hunted by the RAF to go to Bawdsey and then to the radar stations.

Pisses me off, everyone and their dog talk about the fighter pilots, rightly so, but never seen any mention of the radar techs, hence never bothered to look through what I have, no one interested.
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A fascinating story there re your dad as a Radio, Radar TV pioneer. Most early TV books are rare almost by "definition" [pun intended]. It would be interesting to see what you can find. As you suggest, most people are usually casual about magazines but given the passage of time, even "cut outs" have a research value if not a financial one. It is a bit of an irony that Gaumont Studios became Lime Grove [dalekmoore post9*]. The establishment gave little support to Baird and when Lime Grove Studios itself was closed [1989] I was told that a fair amount of "skip diving" took place as reels of film/tape and all sorts generally, were dumped unceremoniously with scant regard to broadcasting history or anything else!

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A fascinating story there re your dad as a Radio, Radar TV pioneer. Most early TV books are rare almost by "definition" [pun intended]. It would be interesting to see what you can find. As you suggest, most people are usually casual about magazines but given the passage of time, even "cut outs" have a research value if not a financial one. It is a bit of an irony that Gaumont Studios became Lime Grove [dalekmoore post9*]. The establishment gave little support to Baird and when Lime Grove Studios itself was closed [1989] I was told that a fair amount of "skip diving" took place as reels of film/tape and all sorts generally, were dumped unceremoniously with scant regard to broadcasting history or anything else!

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Hi Dave Chis long got me onto the missing Baird Film its about 20 minutes long and was shown at a few theatres in the uk in 1932,he recalled reading the Television issues and this information was in those magazines unfortunately not in the issues on line ,i think once our lock down is over he will check them again at the Melbourne library love to get scans .
Chris thinks it was just a stand alone film due to its length and it was mentioned in the magazines this is what it was .
I have been looking into the UK papers this is all i have found so far..looks to be a mirror drum flying spot camera in this photo .behind the scenes one shot of the film .
BTW not every is into FB but i use my page it to store every vintage Television clipping photo i can come across nice to have it all in one place if interested have a look https://www.facebook.com/groups/170508300223659
Do check search or view past posts as there's about 3 years of research posted so far must be hundreds of clippings and photos .
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Is there a possibility that prints of this film found their way into media libraries overseas? Broadcast organisations and specialist collections. I'm reminded of how old BBC programmes, long thought gone for good, have turned up abroad. It might be worthwhile doing whatever the BBC or enthusiasts' groups do to track down old material.
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Is there a possibility that prints of this film found their way into media libraries overseas? Broadcast organisations and specialist collections. I'm reminded of how old BBC programmes, long thought gone for good, have turned up abroad. It might be worthwhile doing whatever the BBC or enthusiasts' groups do to track down old material.
You would think so ,i only know it was shown at a few theatres in the Uk in 32 very little apart from one clipping photo posted so far on the film at this time in the papers .
Till we get to double check the old Uk Television Magazines with the information Chris Long has viewed them in the past but didn't scan the information we are in lock down so can't check at this time .
Even knowing which theatres it was shown in are not known yet or what the hell the films name was till we get to see the magazines again at the state library !
Its a very interesting time this was all done its such a pity its gone missing/
1932 is the Year it was shown any one have any magazines from this year should check them for details .
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Are any of the 1930's books on television rare?

My dad was working on TV in the 30's and had some stuff, I kept all that I found when he died but most magazines were cut up for the interesting articles. Not certain where they are, don't think I binned them. He went on a TV course at Echo - I think - in the late 30's, was subsequently head hunted by the RAF to go to Bawdsey and then to the radar stations.

Pisses me off, everyone and their dog talk about the fighter pilots, rightly so, but never seen any mention of the radar techs, hence never bothered to look through what I have, no one interested.
If you ever find them do post them up ! there are a lots of people interested in early Television history so magazine or newspaper clippings and photos my Face book page is full of them ! and there are people interested like me ! Go search for your dads stuff if you at least find and copy them put them on line your dads stuff with be appreciated !
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