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Old 16th Nov 2022, 7:47 pm   #1
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Default The Gramophone Company 78ís

Looking through a pile of 78ís I discovered these.
The limited info I could find online would suggest the labels were used pre 1907 yet the date on one looks to be 1927.
Does anyone know more?

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Old 16th Nov 2022, 10:25 pm   #2
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Default Re: The Gramophone Company 78ís

Never seen one, I suspect they were later superceded by acetates for advance copies. Presumably these are shellac.
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Default Re: The Gramophone Company 78ís

The date looks like 1922, so pre electrical recording. Vintage acoustically recorded advance promotion records.
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Also, I note that the covers are advertising Bandmaster gramophones. If these were new enough to be electrical recordings I believe that part of the embossed number (or symbol) in the run-out groove area would indicate which make of electrical recording apparatus was used for the recording.

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The Gramophone Company became HMV in 1912
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The 22 could be a badly written 11, so 1911.
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My guess would be that they felt no need to update the labels on these pre-release discs to use the HMV name. Albert Coates became the LSO's chief conductor in 1919, and a Google Groups user has uploaded a recording of him conducting the orchestra (well, a part of it anyway...) in Till Eugenspiegel, dating the recording session as November 4th, 1921:

https://groups.google.com/g/rec.musi...MRZYaIUJ?pli=1

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Nice bit of detective work Paul
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My guess would be that they felt no need to update the labels on these pre-release discs to use the HMV name
YT just offered me a Gramophone pre-release disc of this style, with Soprano Adelaide Saraceni and baritone Apollo Granforte in a recording made on 20th June 1930
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