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Old 2nd Aug 2022, 2:21 pm   #1
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For some time only the YouTube video has been available which is poor quality. The 1936 BBC original film clip had for some time eluded me.

I am pleased to say "No longer."

The BBC has from 22 May this year re-released it for public viewing.

Search the title and below the BBC 20MAR2018 clip, not viewable, is the post.

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Old 2nd Aug 2022, 2:27 pm   #2
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Thanks for that Chris.

I did have a BBC copy if you scroll to be foot of this webpage but unfortunately it had been carelessly posted to YouTube with the wrong aspect ratio. Now sorted.

That's much better. https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0c98sw3

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Old 2nd Aug 2022, 3:10 pm   #3
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I never get bored with this film. I can't help thinking that the real purpose of television must have been more than just a few footling programmes and fashion parades for a very few people. We will never know.
The expense must have been incredible to say nothing of the conversion of AP.
Thank goodness they did it! John.
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Thanks for posting that. We think we're so clever nowadays, but looking back when safety equiment was a flat cap we perhaps aren't all that advanced!
Nice to hear some Dvorak as well. I also liked the top and tail of the original reels - seeing the count down to 3 and the sound blip still has me reacing for the projector changeoover switch!
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Thanks for the heads-up about this. What was available previously was dire, particularly the "Colorized" effort on Youtube yuck. I've used OBS to grab the player window so this reel can join "Television comes to the Midlands".

The countdown leader seemed a bit odd at the head of reel 2, so I've used my virtual Steenbeck and moved it to the beginning!
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I like the shot when about to go on air and switches are thrown.
Then we see an ammeter at full scale dropping back to zero amps.
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Virtual Steenbeck? I've got a real one in the shed!
Nice to see even then they did things for dramatic effect. Now they'd have a V/O making terrible puns about 'current affars' and so on...
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Old 8th Aug 2022, 8:43 am   #8
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Glyn

You are so right and whilst a little off topic, may I include the playing of well known artists love songs when a "love seen" is shown and to one of sadness when the couple break up!!

Not so with the "Public Infirmation" film on TV interference. No messing about here, the guilty man does the right thing and gats his car's ignition suppressor fitted although the old banger exploding is just OTT!!

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The countdown leader seemed a bit odd at the head of reel 2, so I've used my virtual Steenbeck and moved it to the beginning!
There are a few oddities in the recent version. In addition to the leader appearance at the start of reel 2, the initial title is offset to the left and the projector framing is incorrectly adjusted for part of the time. I'm also not convinced that the poor gamma setting results from the original film.

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I noticed the title offset to the left. The crushed blacks throughout is particularly unfortunate. I don’t think the second reel leader followed by the poor framing was an artistic decision, rather I think it was done in a hurry.

All that said, it's a massive improvement on what we had before.
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Virtual Steenbeck? I've got a real one in the shed!
Nice to see even then they did things for dramatic effect. Now they'd have a V/O making terrible puns about 'current affars' and so on...
I used to work for the UK company that sold these, & some we converted to video.

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The opening music sounds like it's the introduction to an execution. Never mind. Something that has always intrigued me is how, on old films that (especially) words on the screen wobble around a tad. Is it due to mechanical 'slackness' in the recording and or playback process?
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It's called "gate weave" and yes, the camara, optical printer and the projector all contribute. I imagine modern film scanning can eliminate the playback contribution, and digital image stabilisation can help.
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I noticed the title offset to the left. The crushed blacks throughout is particularly unfortunate. I donít think the second reel leader followed by the poor framing was an artistic decision, rather I think it was done in a hurry.

All that said, it's a massive improvement on what we had before.
I agree.

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Old 18th Aug 2022, 2:18 pm   #15
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The expense must have been incredible to say nothing of the conversion of AP.
Thank goodness they did it! John.
I wonder who paid: Government, BBC, bit of each...

The need to run both systems can't have helped the bill either!
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Old 21st Aug 2022, 12:22 pm   #16
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I have heard several reports that it was really a good cover for early radar research, all those EF80s, as well as staff getting used to VHF techniques
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