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6th Feb 2023, 8:09 pm | #21 |
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My gran probably had a couple of electricians in the 90's/00's to add a couple of sockets for her and of course the person who originally did her garage sockets, none of them ever were compliant and it's only through the work I have done that it's now safer.
Part of that is down to the house being wired as a ring upstairs and spurs from there to each socket downstairs, therefore no socket in the living or dining room can have another one attached to it but they were. Now it's not like it was something that could be easily missed as each socket only had one wire going in to it! Now I am not a professional electrician, nor have I passed any tests/got any certification to do the work but I made it safe and to me that's more important than leaving it alone. I have also seen items with the same type of plug as the OP and I would assume it is fine as in reality the chance of the average reusing the plug is close to 0 and most people who would reuse it would know it was for unearthed appliances only. |
6th Feb 2023, 9:14 pm | #22 |
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The problem in this case is not so much that the plug might be inappropriately re-used, but that the very fact that it exists indicates that the company that supplied it falsely claim compliance with standards they conspicuously do not comply with. The same might be true of the appliance, where more serious dangers might lurk.
How about the fuse? If it has an ASTA mark, do you believe it? Wire trapped under the endcap? End surface not 'substantially flat?' How do you know it contains silica? I bet it's a fake. Subject it to a 6kA short-circuit test and see if it explodes. When we find an IEC cordset with bogus approvals, sometimes the plug will be dimensionally inaccurate, the cable conductors undersize, the insulation too thin and/or the polarity reversed. Or some such litany of failures that follow from a blatant disregard for correct practice. |
6th Feb 2023, 9:14 pm | #23 |
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It looks fine in other respects though and even has a fuse from a decent company.
If it’s from Argos, I would be surprised if it's unsafe, though I take Lucien’s point about the ISOD in a rewirable plug being dodgy. |
6th Feb 2023, 9:28 pm | #24 |
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7th Feb 2023, 10:26 am | #27 |
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I have one of them plugs on a fan and it works fine.
Got another lead with a moulded sleeved earth pin, seems to work and makes an earth connection, obviously it's not compliant but the power supply it's attached to is plastic.
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7th Feb 2023, 11:46 am | #28 |
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7th Feb 2023, 12:04 pm | #29 |
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Sleeved earth pins do also not comply with BS1363A.
As for BS1362 fuses, there was quite a few fake ones about a year or two ago, I personally had one explode, it was one from a packet bought from a well known high st discount store and had all the relevant correct markings. Ken.
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7th Feb 2023, 1:56 pm | #31 |
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7th Feb 2023, 2:11 pm | #32 |
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An unfortunate consequence of the poltical philosophy of deregulation, which seemingly forgets or ignores the reasons why the regulations were introduced in the first place.
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7th Feb 2023, 3:46 pm | #33 |
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Yes, we seem to strongly regulate what we make here in Britain (adding considerable costs to the production process) yet quite happy to turn a blind eye to dangerous products being brought in that are often manufactured in very poor or non-existent H&S circumstances, great endangering workers, and allowing those companies to cut corners, save money and sell cheap all around the world. The list of what we are doing to shoot ourselves in the foot and simultaneously promulgate danger to foreign workers couldn't be much longer if we tried.
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7th Feb 2023, 4:33 pm | #34 |
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This thread has gone past the point of no return.
Some experienced opinions on compliance have been raised. This forum is not the place to go on a crusade about the standards of imported goods that's better done on a consumer rights website. Cheers Mike T
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