TV identification? - UK Vintage Radio Repair and Restoration Discussion Forum

19Seventy7 · 21st Feb 2021, 4:58 pm

Hi all

Apologies about the poor picture quality, but it's a photo of a photo in which the TV is in the background

Does anyone recognise this TV? I vaguely remember it from my nans when I was younger. The photo was taken in around 2000, but I'm fairly sure the TV would've been older than that, I also posted it on a facebook group and I got the idea of it being Sanyo/Akai, Tatung, Samsung, or Ferguson; Possibly the B51F, but I can't find any info on the B51F other than it uses the ICC7 chassis. Though searching Sanyo brought up similar looking sets, but being the late 80s/90s they all started to look pretty similar.

Out of all those Ferguson seems the most likely as I did have Ferguson in mind and I'm pretty sure my nan had Fergusons before.

Any help is appreciated

Thanks
'77

Welsh Anorak · 22nd Feb 2021, 5:02 pm

Tricky!
I think it could be a Sanyo or possibly a Toshiba as they had those curving speaker grilles.
If it's a Ferguson it'll be an ICC7 or 9. Of course I could be wrong.

19Seventy7 · 22nd Feb 2021, 10:53 pm

Possibly, I've had a look for Toshiba but to no avail. So far Sanyo has brought up the most similar looking sets.

I'll see if I can find any more photos tomorrow that'll give a better idea. Though I don't think I'll have any here

Thanks
'77

paulsherwin · 28th Sep 2021, 2:32 pm

Reopened by request.

19Seventy7 · 28th Sep 2021, 3:38 pm

Thanks for reopening

I've recently found a better photo of the TV which I hope may be easier to identify with.

I've edited to bring out some other 'details' should that help too.

Looks as though the speakers are on the side rather than the front now. Somewhere someone mentioned the B51F but wasn't sure, but may be a step in the right direction?

Thanks
'77

Welsh Anorak · 28th Sep 2021, 4:51 pm

The control flap is a clue, and I'm fairly sure it's a Sanyo. I'm fairly sure you can rule Thomson out, but Toshiba is a remote possibility.

19Seventy7 · 28th Sep 2021, 6:17 pm

Could be, i'll keep an eye out. I saw a photo of a Toshiba that had "T E X T" written on it which looked very familiar. So will keep an eye out for both.

Reassuring that the answers not changed!

Thanks

nigelr2000 · 28th Sep 2021, 7:49 pm

I thought Toshiba as well
They did a stereo but not Nicam one and a real nicam stereo one in that style

19Seventy7 · 28th Feb 2022, 11:56 pm

I'm still on my searches! I've not yet found anything that even comes close to how this set looks unfortunately, though I came across a photograph the other day with the control panel door open and thought it may help identify further.

If it also helps the buttons were square, not round as the photo may suggest

Ironically my nan is a stickler for keeping the manuals for things, this seems to be the one and only thing she didn't keep the manual for! I've found manuals for 70s portable sets before!

Thanks
'77

IKC2E51R8 · 1st Mar 2022, 12:59 am

Its a Ferguson In telefunken Drag or telefunken branded though the logo on the front looks smaller than the word telefunken. Using probably the TX90/TX92 or Possibly ICC7/8 Chassis judging by the Blue OSD, Here's a similar Telefunken badged set.

I cant find any Ferguson branded examples of this set but this looks exactly like it. Its definitely of Thomson origin anyway

IKC2E51R8 · 1st Mar 2022, 1:03 am

catalogue Image from 1991. very Likely ICC7 Chassis

19Seventy7 · 1st Mar 2022, 3:21 am

Aha! That's brilliant! I'll have to have a look around now I have a definite starting point. I don't think it would've been branded Telefunken, as like you say, the logo looks far too small. I did wonder if it could've been branded "Thorn" but I think Thorn ended with the ICC5 chassis? I'm not sure on that as that's getting a little too new for me!

Good to know theres still examples of similar sets out there

Thank you for the help, I really appreciate it!
'77

IKC2E51R8 · 1st Mar 2022, 3:28 am

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Originally Posted by 19Seventy7

Aha! That's brilliant! I'll have to have a look around now I have a definite starting point. I don't think it would've been branded Telefunken, as like you say, the logo looks far too small. I did wonder if it could've been branded "Thorn" but I think Thorn ended with the ICC5 chassis? I'm not sure on that as that's getting a little too new for me!

Good to know theres still examples of similar sets out there

Thank you for the help, I really appreciate it!
'77

I've seen examples of Later Thorn sets after ICC5 so it could possibly be Thorn branded. I have some Ferguson brochures up in the attic, i'll see if i can route them out tomorrow and if theres any examples like yours in it.
It Could possibly be thomson branded also

19Seventy7 · 1st Mar 2022, 3:46 am

That'd be great if you could find the brochures and any similar examples inside. I do have a manual for a Ferguson B59F which looks similar but isn't quite it. (below)

The Thomson branding seems more likely to me than Telefunken just by the shortness of the logo on the front of my set.

Thanks
'77

19Seventy7 · 1st Mar 2022, 3:54 am

I've also just had a thought, but I'm not sure if it's me imagining things because it's nearly 3AM or because I want to see it (Or both

) but I was inspecting the photos some more and I noticed the VCR on the sets stand in post #1. This VCR I know is a Thorn VR202VL and was branded Thorn.

Looking at the thorn logo up close on an example I've not long bought but I think they could match up? To me the branding on the TV looks as though it has some logo to the left, which may add up to the Thorn logo in the square? (Best seen in the edited photo in post #5)

I'm taking that with a pinch of salt but thought it may be worth bringing up?

Thanks
'77

IKC2E51R8 · 1st Mar 2022, 5:04 am

That image for the B59F manual is a standard image they included on nearly all their thomson made manuals and not a dipiction of the set itself. Its not a B59F anyway, Ive seen the B59F and I have the B59F in the brochure and it looks nothing like your set unfortuantly.

I think its more likely yours was a Thorn branded set, even more so if the VCR was a Thorn branded machine. The VR202 was made by Sanyo.

Its possible the TV And VCR were sold as a package deal at the time so it would make sense to me that its a Thorn branded set though I could be wrong.

I'll find the brochures tomorrow and upload the pics, I have the sales brochures for Ferguson from the ICC5 up until the late 90's sets so if a Ferguson version of yours exists it'l be in there.

I also have a Thomson sales book too, not sure which sets are in it or which year its from but i'll look through it for a similar set and upload anything I find

19Seventy7 · 2nd Mar 2022, 12:42 am

I wasn't expecting it to be the B59F but wondered if it may have included any clues, which it didn't of course, I just wondered as, like i say, someone mentioned it could be a B51F.

That's possible as I say, my nan seemed to go with Thorn, namely Ferguson, a fair bit.

Thanks for having a look, I really appreciate that, and for your help
'77

22nd Feb 2021, 5:02 pm	#2
Welsh Anorak Dekatron Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: North Wales, UK. Posts: 6,916	Re: TV identification? Tricky! I think it could be a Sanyo or possibly a Toshiba as they had those curving speaker grilles. If it's a Ferguson it'll be an ICC7 or 9. Of course I could be wrong. __________________ Glyn www.gdelectronics.wales

22nd Feb 2021, 10:53 pm	#3
19Seventy7 Octode Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: Essex, UK. Posts: 1,307	Re: TV identification? Possibly, I've had a look for Toshiba but to no avail. So far Sanyo has brought up the most similar looking sets. I'll see if I can find any more photos tomorrow that'll give a better idea. Though I don't think I'll have any here Thanks '77

28th Sep 2021, 2:32 pm	#4
paulsherwin Moderator Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Oxford, UK Posts: 27,934	Re: TV identification? Reopened by request.

28th Sep 2021, 4:51 pm	#6
Welsh Anorak Dekatron Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: North Wales, UK. Posts: 6,916	Re: TV identification? The control flap is a clue, and I'm fairly sure it's a Sanyo. I'm fairly sure you can rule Thomson out, but Toshiba is a remote possibility. __________________ Glyn www.gdelectronics.wales

28th Sep 2021, 6:17 pm	#7
19Seventy7 Octode Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: Essex, UK. Posts: 1,307	Re: TV identification? Could be, i'll keep an eye out. I saw a photo of a Toshiba that had "T E X T" written on it which looked very familiar. So will keep an eye out for both. Reassuring that the answers not changed! Thanks

21st Feb 2021, 4:58 pm	#1
19Seventy7 Octode Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: Essex, UK. Posts: 1,307	TV identification? Hi all Apologies about the poor picture quality, but it's a photo of a photo in which the TV is in the background Does anyone recognise this TV? I vaguely remember it from my nans when I was younger. The photo was taken in around 2000, but I'm fairly sure the TV would've been older than that, I also posted it on a facebook group and I got the idea of it being Sanyo/Akai, Tatung, Samsung, or Ferguson; Possibly the B51F, but I can't find any info on the B51F other than it uses the ICC7 chassis. Though searching Sanyo brought up similar looking sets, but being the late 80s/90s they all started to look pretty similar. Out of all those Ferguson seems the most likely as I did have Ferguson in mind and I'm pretty sure my nan had Fergusons before. Any help is appreciated Thanks '77 Attached Thumbnails

28th Sep 2021, 3:38 pm	#5
19Seventy7 Octode Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: Essex, UK. Posts: 1,307	Re: TV identification? Thanks for reopening I've recently found a better photo of the TV which I hope may be easier to identify with. I've edited to bring out some other 'details' should that help too. Looks as though the speakers are on the side rather than the front now. Somewhere someone mentioned the B51F but wasn't sure, but may be a step in the right direction? Thanks '77 Attached Thumbnails

28th Sep 2021, 7:49 pm	#8
nigelr2000 Heptode Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: North Walsham, Norfolk, UK. Posts: 900	Re: TV identification? I thought Toshiba as well They did a stereo but not Nicam one and a real nicam stereo one in that style __________________ https://www.facebook.com/gntrading

28th Feb 2022, 11:56 pm	#9
19Seventy7 Octode Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: Essex, UK. Posts: 1,307	Re: TV identification? I'm still on my searches! I've not yet found anything that even comes close to how this set looks unfortunately, though I came across a photograph the other day with the control panel door open and thought it may help identify further. If it also helps the buttons were square, not round as the photo may suggest Ironically my nan is a stickler for keeping the manuals for things, this seems to be the one and only thing she didn't keep the manual for! I've found manuals for 70s portable sets before! Thanks '77 Attached Thumbnails

1st Mar 2022, 12:59 am	#10
IKC2E51R8 Hexode Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: Dublin, Republic of Ireland. Posts: 493	Re: TV identification? Its a Ferguson In telefunken Drag or telefunken branded though the logo on the front looks smaller than the word telefunken. Using probably the TX90/TX92 or Possibly ICC7/8 Chassis judging by the Blue OSD, Here's a similar Telefunken badged set. I cant find any Ferguson branded examples of this set but this looks exactly like it. Its definitely of Thomson origin anyway Attached Thumbnails __________________ Cheers, Luke

1st Mar 2022, 1:03 am	#11
IKC2E51R8 Hexode Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: Dublin, Republic of Ireland. Posts: 493	Re: TV identification? catalogue Image from 1991. very Likely ICC7 Chassis Attached Thumbnails __________________ Cheers, Luke

1st Mar 2022, 3:21 am	#12
19Seventy7 Octode Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: Essex, UK. Posts: 1,307	Re: TV identification? Aha! That's brilliant! I'll have to have a look around now I have a definite starting point. I don't think it would've been branded Telefunken, as like you say, the logo looks far too small. I did wonder if it could've been branded "Thorn" but I think Thorn ended with the ICC5 chassis? I'm not sure on that as that's getting a little too new for me! Good to know theres still examples of similar sets out there Thank you for the help, I really appreciate it! '77

1st Mar 2022, 3:46 am	#14
19Seventy7 Octode Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: Essex, UK. Posts: 1,307	Re: TV identification? That'd be great if you could find the brochures and any similar examples inside. I do have a manual for a Ferguson B59F which looks similar but isn't quite it. (below) The Thomson branding seems more likely to me than Telefunken just by the shortness of the logo on the front of my set. Thanks '77 Attached Thumbnails Last edited by 19Seventy7; 1st Mar 2022 at 3:54 am.

1st Mar 2022, 3:54 am	#15
19Seventy7 Octode Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: Essex, UK. Posts: 1,307	Re: TV identification? I've also just had a thought, but I'm not sure if it's me imagining things because it's nearly 3AM or because I want to see it (Or both ) but I was inspecting the photos some more and I noticed the VCR on the sets stand in post #1. This VCR I know is a Thorn VR202VL and was branded Thorn. Looking at the thorn logo up close on an example I've not long bought but I think they could match up? To me the branding on the TV looks as though it has some logo to the left, which may add up to the Thorn logo in the square? (Best seen in the edited photo in post #5) I'm taking that with a pinch of salt but thought it may be worth bringing up? Thanks '77 Attached Thumbnails

1st Mar 2022, 5:04 am	#16
IKC2E51R8 Hexode Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: Dublin, Republic of Ireland. Posts: 493	Re: TV identification? That image for the B59F manual is a standard image they included on nearly all their thomson made manuals and not a dipiction of the set itself. Its not a B59F anyway, Ive seen the B59F and I have the B59F in the brochure and it looks nothing like your set unfortuantly. I think its more likely yours was a Thorn branded set, even more so if the VCR was a Thorn branded machine. The VR202 was made by Sanyo. Its possible the TV And VCR were sold as a package deal at the time so it would make sense to me that its a Thorn branded set though I could be wrong. I'll find the brochures tomorrow and upload the pics, I have the sales brochures for Ferguson from the ICC5 up until the late 90's sets so if a Ferguson version of yours exists it'l be in there. I also have a Thomson sales book too, not sure which sets are in it or which year its from but i'll look through it for a similar set and upload anything I find __________________ Cheers, Luke

2nd Mar 2022, 12:42 am	#17
19Seventy7 Octode Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: Essex, UK. Posts: 1,307	Re: TV identification? I wasn't expecting it to be the B59F but wondered if it may have included any clues, which it didn't of course, I just wondered as, like i say, someone mentioned it could be a B51F. That's possible as I say, my nan seemed to go with Thorn, namely Ferguson, a fair bit. Thanks for having a look, I really appreciate that, and for your help '77