Baird T5 restoration project. - Page 14 - UK Vintage Radio Repair and Restoration Discussion Forum

FERNSEH · 4th Dec 2019, 9:08 pm

At last I've made a start on the veneering of the cabinet. First task, lay on veneers around the chamfered CRT screen aperture.

DFWB.

peter_scott · 4th Dec 2019, 9:57 pm

My goodness! That's a rather higher quality of construction than EMI used.

Peter

FERNSEH · 4th Dec 2019, 10:12 pm

"My goodness! That's a rather higher quality of construction than EMI used."
Hi Peter,
although that said I wish Baird Television had simply applied brown paint instead of the veneer. I've no idea how manufactures laid on the pieces of veneer around the chamfered edges of screen apertures and also radio tuning scales because for me it's a time consuming and messy process doing it.

DFWB.

peter_scott · 4th Dec 2019, 10:59 pm

Hi David,

If it was a mechanised process you might think of separate sides and corners. Four straight sides and four identical corner pieces.

How was the original structured?

Peter

Jac · 5th Dec 2019, 7:44 am

That's going to look very good David!
Quite a lot of work.

I think I have only two sets with this construction: Pye LV30 and the 1948 Philips experimental projection receiver (SX861A).

Jac

FERNSEH · 5th Dec 2019, 3:20 pm

Peter_Scott wrote: "If it was a mechanised process you might think of separate sides and corners. Four straight sides and four identical corner pieces."
Hi Peter,
The attachment shows a corner of the screen aperture of the original Baird top panel. I just can't believe the veneer around the edges was applied by hand, some automated process must have been employed.

"Quite a lot of work." Hello Jac, I reckon it took almost two hours to do edge veneering. No production planner would allow for that.

DFWB.

peter_scott · 5th Dec 2019, 5:05 pm

Hi David,

Is it one continuous strip with just the one seam?

Peter

FERNSEH · 5th Dec 2019, 6:05 pm

"Is it one continuous strip with just the one seam?"

Hi Peter, because of its terrible condition one can't really tell how it is on the T5 panel. However, the T23 has a similar CRT panel and it would appear two strips have been used for the chamfered edge.

DFWB.

FERNSEH · 6th Dec 2019, 10:31 am

Two pieces of wood veneer have been cut to size and will be glued into position.
The attachment shows the symmetrical wood grain pattern and this will be continued on the other two panels.

DFWB.

Argus25 · 6th Dec 2019, 10:51 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by FERNSEH

At last I've made a start on the veneering of the cabinet. First task, lay on veneers around the chamfered CRT screen aperture.

DFWB.

I faced a similar problem on my RCA 621TS, except that somebody in the past had wanted a larger sized picture so they cut a bigger hole in the CRT escutcheon !

When I first saw it I thought Gulp ! how to fix it. I thought of simply re-manufacturing the part, but I wanted to save as much of the original part as possible.

So I decided to cut it out further and glue in some Tasmanian Oak with epoxy resin. After that I re-worked it by hand to create the original shape (see pictures). It was a long job.

FERNSEH · 6th Dec 2019, 12:55 pm

Link to the restoration of Hugo's RCA 621TS:
http://worldphaco.com/uploads/621TSARTICLE.pdf

A mighty press to fix the veneers to the panel was set up last night. It consisted of a Formica faced board, an 88 pound (40Kg) Marconi VT50 and two heavy radios.
The contraption has done it's job so now the veneer edges have to be trimmed.

DFWB.

FERNSEH · 6th Dec 2019, 5:18 pm

The new CRT screen panel is now ready for staining and polishing.

DFWB.

Jac · 6th Dec 2019, 5:30 pm

Looking great David!

Which glue due you use for the veneer?

Jac

FERNSEH · 6th Dec 2019, 6:07 pm

Hello Jac,
I used Gorilla wood glue, the best glue I've ever used. Made in the USA.
Gorilla market a wide range of adhesives. There's one for every job.

"For the toughest jobs on Planet Earth"

DFWB.

Jac · 6th Dec 2019, 6:16 pm

Thanks David.

I'm looking forward to see (and learn from) your staining work!

Jac

Lloyd 1985 · 6th Dec 2019, 8:12 pm

Hi David,

That's looking really good, wish my woodworking skills were as good as yours!

Regards,
Lloyd

FERNSEH · 6th Dec 2019, 8:24 pm

Hello Jac,
The original lacquer finish was very dark which was the way furniture was presented eighty years ago. However, it does seem a shame that the new veneer has to be stained to a very dark colour to resemble the original finish.

DFWB.

Panrock · 6th Dec 2019, 8:30 pm

Won't staining the veneer run the risk of picking up any scratches in the grain pattern? A spray-over toner would be safer and probably more original too.

Steve

FERNSEH · 6th Dec 2019, 8:49 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Panrock

Won't staining the veneer run the risk of picking up any scratches in the grain pattern? A spray-over toner would be safer and probably more original too.

Steve

Hi Steve,
Something to consider, although I was planning to apply French polish to the assembled cabinet. There was a time when large service departments employed a French polisher to tidy up radio and TV cabinets.
Attachment shows the new control panel being prepared for veneering.

DFWB.

peter_scott · 7th Dec 2019, 9:17 am

It looks as if it wasn't just expensive televisions that had venired chamfers. Here's a 1937 Bush SW45 that was priced at 15 guineas. And it wasn't just Bush Radio who were doing it. In the same thread there is a PYE P45 with similar chamfer.

Peter

https://www.vintage-radio.net/forum/...ad.php?t=47952

4th Dec 2019, 9:08 pm	#261
FERNSEH Dekatron Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Gateshead, Tyne and Wear, UK. Posts: 6,435	Re: Baird T5 restoration project. At last I've made a start on the veneering of the cabinet. First task, lay on veneers around the chamfered CRT screen aperture. DFWB. Attached Thumbnails

4th Dec 2019, 9:57 pm	#262
peter_scott Nonode Join Date: May 2003 Location: Edinburgh, UK. Posts: 2,686	Re: Baird T5 restoration project. My goodness! That's a rather higher quality of construction than EMI used. Peter Attached Thumbnails __________________ http://www.nostalgiatech.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/c/PeterScott

4th Dec 2019, 10:12 pm	#263
FERNSEH Dekatron Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Gateshead, Tyne and Wear, UK. Posts: 6,435	Re: Baird T5 restoration project. "My goodness! That's a rather higher quality of construction than EMI used." Hi Peter, although that said I wish Baird Television had simply applied brown paint instead of the veneer. I've no idea how manufactures laid on the pieces of veneer around the chamfered edges of screen apertures and also radio tuning scales because for me it's a time consuming and messy process doing it. DFWB.

4th Dec 2019, 10:59 pm	#264
peter_scott Nonode Join Date: May 2003 Location: Edinburgh, UK. Posts: 2,686	Re: Baird T5 restoration project. Hi David, If it was a mechanised process you might think of separate sides and corners. Four straight sides and four identical corner pieces. How was the original structured? Peter __________________ http://www.nostalgiatech.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/c/PeterScott

5th Dec 2019, 7:44 am	#265
Jac Heptode Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Eindhoven, Netherlands. Posts: 534	Re: Baird T5 restoration project. That's going to look very good David! Quite a lot of work. I think I have only two sets with this construction: Pye LV30 and the 1948 Philips experimental projection receiver (SX861A). Jac

5th Dec 2019, 3:20 pm	#266
FERNSEH Dekatron Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Gateshead, Tyne and Wear, UK. Posts: 6,435	Re: Baird T5 restoration project. Peter_Scott wrote: "If it was a mechanised process you might think of separate sides and corners. Four straight sides and four identical corner pieces." Hi Peter, The attachment shows a corner of the screen aperture of the original Baird top panel. I just can't believe the veneer around the edges was applied by hand, some automated process must have been employed. "Quite a lot of work." Hello Jac, I reckon it took almost two hours to do edge veneering. No production planner would allow for that. DFWB. Attached Thumbnails

5th Dec 2019, 5:05 pm	#267
peter_scott Nonode Join Date: May 2003 Location: Edinburgh, UK. Posts: 2,686	Re: Baird T5 restoration project. Hi David, Is it one continuous strip with just the one seam? Peter __________________ http://www.nostalgiatech.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/c/PeterScott

5th Dec 2019, 6:05 pm	#268
FERNSEH Dekatron Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Gateshead, Tyne and Wear, UK. Posts: 6,435	Re: Baird T5 restoration project. "Is it one continuous strip with just the one seam?" Hi Peter, because of its terrible condition one can't really tell how it is on the T5 panel. However, the T23 has a similar CRT panel and it would appear two strips have been used for the chamfered edge. DFWB.

6th Dec 2019, 10:31 am	#269
FERNSEH Dekatron Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Gateshead, Tyne and Wear, UK. Posts: 6,435	Re: Baird T5 restoration project. Two pieces of wood veneer have been cut to size and will be glued into position. The attachment shows the symmetrical wood grain pattern and this will be continued on the other two panels. DFWB. Attached Thumbnails Last edited by FERNSEH; 6th Dec 2019 at 10:45 am.

6th Dec 2019, 12:55 pm	#271
FERNSEH Dekatron Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Gateshead, Tyne and Wear, UK. Posts: 6,435	Re: Baird T5 restoration project. Link to the restoration of Hugo's RCA 621TS: http://worldphaco.com/uploads/621TSARTICLE.pdf A mighty press to fix the veneers to the panel was set up last night. It consisted of a Formica faced board, an 88 pound (40Kg) Marconi VT50 and two heavy radios. The contraption has done it's job so now the veneer edges have to be trimmed. DFWB. Attached Thumbnails

6th Dec 2019, 5:18 pm	#272
FERNSEH Dekatron Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Gateshead, Tyne and Wear, UK. Posts: 6,435	Re: Baird T5 restoration project. The new CRT screen panel is now ready for staining and polishing. DFWB. Attached Thumbnails

6th Dec 2019, 5:30 pm	#273
Jac Heptode Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Eindhoven, Netherlands. Posts: 534	Re: Baird T5 restoration project. Looking great David! Which glue due you use for the veneer? Jac Last edited by Jac; 6th Dec 2019 at 5:59 pm.

6th Dec 2019, 6:07 pm	#274
FERNSEH Dekatron Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Gateshead, Tyne and Wear, UK. Posts: 6,435	Re: Baird T5 restoration project. Hello Jac, I used Gorilla wood glue, the best glue I've ever used. Made in the USA. Gorilla market a wide range of adhesives. There's one for every job. "For the toughest jobs on Planet Earth" DFWB.

6th Dec 2019, 6:16 pm	#275
Jac Heptode Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Eindhoven, Netherlands. Posts: 534	Re: Baird T5 restoration project. Thanks David. I'm looking forward to see (and learn from) your staining work! Jac

6th Dec 2019, 8:12 pm	#276
Lloyd 1985 Octode Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Coningsby, Lincolnshire, UK. Posts: 1,991	Re: Baird T5 restoration project. Hi David, That's looking really good, wish my woodworking skills were as good as yours! Regards, Lloyd

6th Dec 2019, 8:24 pm	#277
FERNSEH Dekatron Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Gateshead, Tyne and Wear, UK. Posts: 6,435	Re: Baird T5 restoration project. Hello Jac, The original lacquer finish was very dark which was the way furniture was presented eighty years ago. However, it does seem a shame that the new veneer has to be stained to a very dark colour to resemble the original finish. DFWB.

6th Dec 2019, 8:30 pm	#278
Panrock Nonode Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Worcestershire, UK. Posts: 2,033	Re: Baird T5 restoration project. Won't staining the veneer run the risk of picking up any scratches in the grain pattern? A spray-over toner would be safer and probably more original too. Steve

7th Dec 2019, 9:17 am	#280
peter_scott Nonode Join Date: May 2003 Location: Edinburgh, UK. Posts: 2,686	Re: Baird T5 restoration project. It looks as if it wasn't just expensive televisions that had venired chamfers. Here's a 1937 Bush SW45 that was priced at 15 guineas. And it wasn't just Bush Radio who were doing it. In the same thread there is a PYE P45 with similar chamfer. Peter https://www.vintage-radio.net/forum/...ad.php?t=47952 Attached Thumbnails __________________ http://www.nostalgiatech.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/c/PeterScott Last edited by peter_scott; 7th Dec 2019 at 9:45 am.