6336 Loewe VCR - UK Vintage Radio Repair and Restoration Discussion Forum

toshiba tony · 26th Jan 2016, 8:30 am

I have read with great interest the post re: cheap heads, but which deck does my machine have

?
It's not charly, it's an m wrap, and its not the cheap nasty one that takes the tape in when you press play, the idler doesn't just pull back, it rises as well.
It's not a G deck so what is it. I remember them well but the name escapes me. Sorry, it definitely is Philips!
But which one? Anyone got one who knows.
Thanks.
Tony Walker

toshiba tony · 26th Jan 2016, 9:03 am

Or alternatively a Philips similar 6 head machine, thanks.

Red to black · 26th Jan 2016, 9:15 am

I take it this is of fairly recent manufacture (2000-ish ) then ? virtue of it being six head.

Around this time Philips were using the Turbodeck or a version of a JVC mech, other than the cheap and nasty Funai mechanism.

These 3 decks were all M-Wrap.

vidjoman · 26th Jan 2016, 9:27 am

A photo might help others identify.

toshiba tony · 26th Jan 2016, 12:10 pm

Turbo, thanks , that's the one with the small cog on the end of the loading mech, thanks. Anyone know a philips set that uses it. 6 head, ta.

Red to black · 26th Jan 2016, 12:53 pm

The Turbodeck as far as I am aware used original Philips only heads, these were complete with the rotary transformer, pretty much as the previous "Echo" and "Charlie" mechs did with attendant shims etal, except you needed the proper extraction tool to undo three sided circlip affair as well.

Phillips always were a bit "odd ball" in the head department from the N1500/1700 then the V2000 series machines, to the "Echo" deck first VHS machines followed by the long running "Charlie" deck in it's various forms, with odd models using a Sharp mech and the Panasonic D and G mechanisms for some models in the interim, lastly using the Turbodeck and also briefly using JVC for some models before finally bowing out of making their own mechanisms and machines altogether and using OEM Funai machines for their very last VCRs.

I never saw any 6 headed "echo" deck machines, there were some "Charlie" machines with 6 heads as well as "G" deck and JVC, and of course the Turbodeck with such multi-headed upper drums.

The Turbodeck much like the Charlie series before it, there were such huge subtle differences and some not so minor differences between variations and evolutions/modifications throughout the production runs as well as even within the same nominal model number, the only way to get the correct parts was to find the actual part number of the original part and cross reference for the replacement you intended to fit to make sure it would actually fit or be compatible.
This is likely so much more difficult these days, it could be tricky even while the machines were still in production.

Good luck, is really all I can say.

toshiba tony · 26th Jan 2016, 1:14 pm

Thanks for the last long post on my Loewe, you have talked me out of it, its ok on SP and just about ok on LP. I'm an obstinate sod, took months to sort out my Sony sta7b, (which I eventually did) but the vcr isn't as compelling. But thanks.
Tony Walker

Red to black · 26th Jan 2016, 1:22 pm

I wasn't intending to put you off Tony

Just making you aware of Philips being.... well Philips

toshiba tony · 26th Jan 2016, 1:31 pm

No, thanks, you have done me a favour, I spend too much time on jobs that have no value. I'm the same at work, but the Sony, you should see it, that was worth every minute. The Loewe is\was flashy but redundant anyway. Thanks again.
PS. only stopped using it last year, still use crt at home and only got a pvr last year. Hate moving forward.

26th Jan 2016, 8:30 am	#1
toshiba tony Heptode Join Date: May 2006 Location: Accrington, Lancashire, UK. Posts: 978	6336 Loewe VCR I have read with great interest the post re: cheap heads, but which deck does my machine have? It's not charly, it's an m wrap, and its not the cheap nasty one that takes the tape in when you press play, the idler doesn't just pull back, it rises as well. It's not a G deck so what is it. I remember them well but the name escapes me. Sorry, it definitely is Philips! But which one? Anyone got one who knows. Thanks. Tony Walker

26th Jan 2016, 9:03 am	#2
toshiba tony Heptode Join Date: May 2006 Location: Accrington, Lancashire, UK. Posts: 978	Re: 6336 loewe vcr Or alternatively a Philips similar 6 head machine, thanks.

26th Jan 2016, 9:15 am	#3
Red to black Nonode Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Sunderland, Tyne and Wear, UK. Posts: 2,474	Re: 6336 loewe vcr I take it this is of fairly recent manufacture (2000-ish ) then ? virtue of it being six head. Around this time Philips were using the Turbodeck or a version of a JVC mech, other than the cheap and nasty Funai mechanism. These 3 decks were all M-Wrap. __________________ I don't suffer from Insanity. I enjoy every minute of it.

26th Jan 2016, 9:27 am	#4
vidjoman Dekatron Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: East Sussex, UK. Posts: 3,323	Re: 6336 loewe vcr A photo might help others identify.

26th Jan 2016, 12:10 pm	#5
toshiba tony Heptode Join Date: May 2006 Location: Accrington, Lancashire, UK. Posts: 978	Re: 6336 Loewe VCR Turbo, thanks , that's the one with the small cog on the end of the loading mech, thanks. Anyone know a philips set that uses it. 6 head, ta.

26th Jan 2016, 12:53 pm	#6
Red to black Nonode Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Sunderland, Tyne and Wear, UK. Posts: 2,474	Re: 6336 Loewe VCR The Turbodeck as far as I am aware used original Philips only heads, these were complete with the rotary transformer, pretty much as the previous "Echo" and "Charlie" mechs did with attendant shims etal, except you needed the proper extraction tool to undo three sided circlip affair as well. Phillips always were a bit "odd ball" in the head department from the N1500/1700 then the V2000 series machines, to the "Echo" deck first VHS machines followed by the long running "Charlie" deck in it's various forms, with odd models using a Sharp mech and the Panasonic D and G mechanisms for some models in the interim, lastly using the Turbodeck and also briefly using JVC for some models before finally bowing out of making their own mechanisms and machines altogether and using OEM Funai machines for their very last VCRs. I never saw any 6 headed "echo" deck machines, there were some "Charlie" machines with 6 heads as well as "G" deck and JVC, and of course the Turbodeck with such multi-headed upper drums. The Turbodeck much like the Charlie series before it, there were such huge subtle differences and some not so minor differences between variations and evolutions/modifications throughout the production runs as well as even within the same nominal model number, the only way to get the correct parts was to find the actual part number of the original part and cross reference for the replacement you intended to fit to make sure it would actually fit or be compatible. This is likely so much more difficult these days, it could be tricky even while the machines were still in production. Good luck, is really all I can say. __________________ I don't suffer from Insanity. I enjoy every minute of it. Last edited by Red to black; 26th Jan 2016 at 1:01 pm. Reason: addition

26th Jan 2016, 1:14 pm	#7
toshiba tony Heptode Join Date: May 2006 Location: Accrington, Lancashire, UK. Posts: 978	Re: 6336 Loewe VCR Thanks for the last long post on my Loewe, you have talked me out of it, its ok on SP and just about ok on LP. I'm an obstinate sod, took months to sort out my Sony sta7b, (which I eventually did) but the vcr isn't as compelling. But thanks. Tony Walker

26th Jan 2016, 1:22 pm	#8
Red to black Nonode Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Sunderland, Tyne and Wear, UK. Posts: 2,474	Re: 6336 Loewe VCR I wasn't intending to put you off Tony Just making you aware of Philips being.... well Philips __________________ I don't suffer from Insanity. I enjoy every minute of it.

26th Jan 2016, 1:31 pm	#9
toshiba tony Heptode Join Date: May 2006 Location: Accrington, Lancashire, UK. Posts: 978	Re: 6336 Loewe VCR No, thanks, you have done me a favour, I spend too much time on jobs that have no value. I'm the same at work, but the Sony, you should see it, that was worth every minute. The Loewe is\was flashy but redundant anyway. Thanks again. PS. only stopped using it last year, still use crt at home and only got a pvr last year. Hate moving forward.