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Old 1st Aug 2014, 5:58 pm   #1
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Default Unknown Pye TV.

Hello,

I saw a PYE console with TV, Radio, and Turntable, but I found nothing about model.

Thank you for any information.
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Old 1st Aug 2014, 7:13 pm   #2
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Default Re: Unknown Pye TV.

The TV appears to be an LV20 or B18T chassis. Must be rather rare, as I have never seen one with the 9" chassis.
I am aware of a 12" TV/radiogram from the same era (1949), it is the LV21RG.

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Old 1st Aug 2014, 8:53 pm   #3
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Thank you, I have never seen this model, is possible to be made in 1949? The seller says he asked a museum about model and is possible to be made in 1939, but I don't think in possible.
The first turntable in PYE cabinet was made in 1949.
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The Radio Tuning Scale looks the same as the PYE 19D/T19D which have release dates of 1948 and 1949 .

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Old 2nd Aug 2014, 8:25 am   #5
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Default Re: Unknown Pye TV.

I would certainly buy it if offered at a fair price, I have restored a couple of these TV's and they work very well.
I agree that the radio is based on the 19D chassis, so will be easy to restore, as will the Garrard record changer.
I am amazed that this set has made its way to Romania, I would be interested to find out the model number, as I can find no info here in the UK.

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It is indeed a B18T or a LV20/BV20. I had a B18T when I had a large collection of pre and just post war vintage TVs up until '91 when I sold virtually all of them. The '18' and '20' sets are notoriously difficult to tell apart. I did know at one point, but I'm afraid it's too long ago now! Anyway, c1948 and the follow on set to the Pye B16T (side by side set with mains EHT), the first post war Pye TV set. Had one of those as well..
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Not sure this looks original.
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It is certainly very rare survival. I would say late 40s very early 1950s.
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I'm sure its original. What is it doing in Romania?
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Did Pye produce an export version of this early on I wonder?
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Default Re: Unknown Pye TV.

I suppose it could have been an export set, but these are usually based on a home market model.
I am pretty sure it was for the UK market, as the TV chassis would be for 405 line operation.
I am pretty sure this is an original set, as the styling is very similar to the Pye LV21RG from 1949, although this set has a different layout.
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To me it looks as if it started life as a radiogram and someone has added the Tv and moved the record deck. The wood around the Tv appears a very different colour and the catches and chain look very DIY. We need a photo of the inside and chassis.
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I think its totally original .
That picture found by Mark is a useful comparison . The speaker fret design with the disc decoration is very similar on this set if you look left in last picture .
Romania is not the first choice of export that comes to mind especially as it was in the Communist block .But it could have been exported for experimentation , though i would have thought a smaller table set would have been easier ....
Would love to see an internal picture .
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Default Re: Unknown Pye TV.

I have to agree with molochkartovski, in that it looks like the record deck has been moved which is why the shroud chain has been added to the tv compartment, the record one wouldn't have had one to allow the deck to side out. Also why have a felted inlay on the record compartment if the deck just pulls out over it ? more suited to store the pile of records.
The LV20 chassis is a very simple set to incorporate into most spaces, as others have said though a picture of the rear will confirm everything.

Edit: just noticed the picture showing the gap change around the implosion guard.
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The speaker fret design with the disc decoration is very similar on this set if you look left in last picture .
This is one of the reasons that I think this set is original, It is definitely a Pye cabinet.
I did notice the rather bodged chain on the TV door, maybe the original stay broke?
The record deck is also the correct age for this unit, but it is a possibility that it started life as a radiogram and was retrofitted with the TV in place of the turntable, which was then relocated to the record storage cupboard.
It could have been a prototype, as all the wood panels seem to match, it certainly does not look like a home brew conversion.

It certainly is an interesting find, I would love to know how it ended up in Romania!
I agree that a picture of the rear would be a great help.

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Default Re: Unknown Pye TV.

I too agree with molochkartovski.

Seriously, no manufacturer would position a record deck so that it was only inches from the floor ! (not even Philips )

If you look at the radio side, the drop-down cover has sliders either side whilst the "TV" side has a single shiny chain.

A TV/radio/gram combination - top of the range - having a 9" tube instead of 12" ? Unlikely, but even if they did then why would they also completely change the layout between the two?

Finally, Pye were only too keen to announce new models in the trade press - that's where I got the above advert from - but have seen no mention of a 9" model.

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Old 6th Aug 2014, 9:19 am   #17
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It is interesting to note the difference between the LV21RG, the TV is on the right with the record deck on the left, there is no sign of the radio in the advert picture, the only place it could be is under the TV behind a door?
This would also be as odd as having the record deck so low down!

Searching the web turned up nothing on the LV21RG, apart from Jon's site.
Just searching for a Pye Radiogram shows nothing that looks similar to either.
I expect that the LV21RG is an extremely rare beast, if any still exist.

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Old 6th Aug 2014, 1:50 pm   #19
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Default Re: Unknown Pye TV.

Interesting . I do think the chain is quite new .
is it possible the tv door slides in under the chassis ?
It could be a dealer shop conversion from new .Done for a customer maybe...
The woodwork of the Tv area looks ok to me ,It is darker but the radio side could be sun faded .
The main thing to take into account is that the parts are all contemporary and same manufacturer .
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thank you for all ,


After I insisted ,the seller I got some photos with chassit tv and model.
The seller is in Sevilla Spain
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