Defiant radio brand logo - UK Vintage Radio Repair and Restoration Discussion Forum

coopzone · 14th Aug 2022, 10:01 am

I am currently restoring a radio, managed to ID a similar radio "Raymod F17" but I understand this is the defiant brand - as id by logo, see pic attached.

I can't find much info about defiant radios, and this not - nothing at all. Does anyone have one or info on it? Is the logo really the defiant logo. I cant seem to find that anywhere either.

Derek

ms660 · 14th Aug 2022, 10:08 am

That logo might be J.G. Graves:

https://www.vintage-radio.net/forum/...d.php?t=192516

Lawrence.

Cobaltblue · 14th Aug 2022, 10:17 am

I agree with Lawrence Graves not Defiant.

Defiant was the Co-op brand after BREMA stopped manufacturers supplying Co-op as the "Divi" was seen as a form of discounting.

So Co-op started their own brand in Defiance the Chassis are often made by Plessey but there were made by a number of different manufactures.

Nice piece on this in the Setmakers and Radioradio.

And here https://www.radiomuseum.org/dsp_hers...ompany_id=6381

Cheers

Mike T

coopzone · 14th Aug 2022, 11:12 am

Ok graves it is, I got defiant from a dubious source anyway! But the circuit for the Raymond F17 is the right one. it matches one for one on layout and values. And even the picture looks the same.

I still can't find much info on graves either! i'll keep looking

On the bright side, after a lot of work, it lives. And is not bad, reasonable sound, good volume, very sensitive as well.

so far;

a lot of re-wiring (most of the shielded wire has been re-threaded through the old shielding.

Valve Grid's top pins re-glued. All three valves (ECH35, EF39, EBC33) had too have the screening fixed - not one was connected to ground!

Volume control re-build and plenty of cleaning.

New dial cord.

New bulbs

All paper caps replaced

All electrolytes re-stuffed.

New main cable.

At least two mammoth cleaning sessions. And it's still mucky.

re aligned.

Speaker had to be rebuilt as well, the centre had gone rusty and the cone did not move!

The case and knobs are next...

thanks everyone, next time i'll listen to the replies on here first. (defiant just wait till' I see him....)

Derek

Cobaltblue · 14th Aug 2022, 11:30 am

There's not much on Graves

A few of their models here

https://www.radiomuseum.org/dsp_hers...pany_id=6246#a

And a bit more here :
https://www.gracesguide.co.uk/J._G._Graves

Cheers

Mike T

Gabe001 · 14th Aug 2022, 5:24 pm

JG graves was a jewellers in Sheffield. The JG radio is a rebranded Raymond electric f17 which was sold at their store. The radio dial for the JG graves is one of the nicest I've ever come across.

I think you're confusing Defiant with Derwent. Derwent also use the same raymond electric f17 chassis and I believe they shared a factory with Raymond.

Attaching a pic of a Derwent and a JG graves which I restored a while back. You can see that they're identical. Also an underchassis picture for reference if you need one.

Gabriel

14th Aug 2022, 10:01 am	#1
coopzone Hexode Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Cannock, Staffordshire, UK. Posts: 268	Defiant radio brand logo I am currently restoring a radio, managed to ID a similar radio "Raymod F17" but I understand this is the defiant brand - as id by logo, see pic attached. I can't find much info about defiant radios, and this not - nothing at all. Does anyone have one or info on it? Is the logo really the defiant logo. I cant seem to find that anywhere either. Derek Attached Thumbnails

14th Aug 2022, 10:08 am	#2
ms660 Dekatron Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Cornwall, UK. Posts: 13,454	Re: defiant radio brand logo That logo might be J.G. Graves: https://www.vintage-radio.net/forum/...d.php?t=192516 Lawrence. Last edited by ms660; 14th Aug 2022 at 10:14 am. Reason: link added

14th Aug 2022, 10:17 am	#3
Cobaltblue Moderator Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Exeter, Devon and Poole, Dorset UK. Posts: 6,879	Re: defiant radio brand logo I agree with Lawrence Graves not Defiant. Defiant was the Co-op brand after BREMA stopped manufacturers supplying Co-op as the "Divi" was seen as a form of discounting. So Co-op started their own brand in Defiance the Chassis are often made by Plessey but there were made by a number of different manufactures. Nice piece on this in the Setmakers and Radioradio. And here https://www.radiomuseum.org/dsp_hers...ompany_id=6381 Cheers Mike T __________________ Invisible airwaves crackle with life or at least they used to Mike T BVWS member. www.cossor.co.uk

14th Aug 2022, 11:12 am	#4
coopzone Hexode Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Cannock, Staffordshire, UK. Posts: 268	Re: defiant radio brand logo Ok graves it is, I got defiant from a dubious source anyway! But the circuit for the Raymond F17 is the right one. it matches one for one on layout and values. And even the picture looks the same. I still can't find much info on graves either! i'll keep looking On the bright side, after a lot of work, it lives. And is not bad, reasonable sound, good volume, very sensitive as well. so far; a lot of re-wiring (most of the shielded wire has been re-threaded through the old shielding. Valve Grid's top pins re-glued. All three valves (ECH35, EF39, EBC33) had too have the screening fixed - not one was connected to ground! Volume control re-build and plenty of cleaning. New dial cord. New bulbs All paper caps replaced All electrolytes re-stuffed. New main cable. At least two mammoth cleaning sessions. And it's still mucky. re aligned. Speaker had to be rebuilt as well, the centre had gone rusty and the cone did not move! The case and knobs are next... thanks everyone, next time i'll listen to the replies on here first. (defiant just wait till' I see him....) Derek

14th Aug 2022, 11:30 am	#5
Cobaltblue Moderator Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Exeter, Devon and Poole, Dorset UK. Posts: 6,879	Re: defiant radio brand logo There's not much on Graves A few of their models here https://www.radiomuseum.org/dsp_hers...pany_id=6246#a And a bit more here : https://www.gracesguide.co.uk/J._G._Graves Cheers Mike T __________________ Invisible airwaves crackle with life or at least they used to Mike T BVWS member. www.cossor.co.uk

14th Aug 2022, 5:24 pm	#6
Gabe001 Octode Join Date: Oct 2019 Location: Stockport, Greater Manchester, UK. Posts: 1,646	Re: Defiant radio brand logo JG graves was a jewellers in Sheffield. The JG radio is a rebranded Raymond electric f17 which was sold at their store. The radio dial for the JG graves is one of the nicest I've ever come across. I think you're confusing Defiant with Derwent. Derwent also use the same raymond electric f17 chassis and I believe they shared a factory with Raymond. Attaching a pic of a Derwent and a JG graves which I restored a while back. You can see that they're identical. Also an underchassis picture for reference if you need one. Gabriel Attached Thumbnails Last edited by Gabe001; 14th Aug 2022 at 5:39 pm.