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Old 25th Jul 2019, 2:21 pm   #21
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Default Re: Late 405 line only sets used in the 1980s & beyond.

Most duals either had multiband tuners with six buttons or a dedicated UHF tuner, four button or rotary. When I sold reconditioned Bush A640s, I turned all the keyplates (as they were called) to 625 UHF as that's what people wanted. Philips and Pye multibands had rotary nuts at the back to choose your system, as did Thorn.
Don't remember any having just two 625 settings, but of course they may well have been supplied like that and most customers wouldn't know they could be changed internally.
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...Don't remember any having just two 625 settings, but of course they may well have been supplied like that and most customers wouldn't know they could be changed internally...
I certainly remember my aunt's TV161 rented set having two UHF, two, band III, and two band I until one day the man from Granada TV Rentals changed one of the band III to UHF and one of the Band I to UHF too. That left just button 4 on Ch10 for ITV from St Hillary and button 5 on Ch5 for BBC West from Wenvoe.
Once I started getting into this mad hobby, interest, job () I had a Pye Olympic for a while with a similar configuration before I changed them all to UHF!
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Bush TV161’s came from the factory with two buttons on 405/B1, 405/B3 and 625/UHF. These were very often changed in the field to at least 3 625/UHF in my region after Nov 1969. The wired systems that still had 625/VHF were also catered for by those key plates.
The sets were sold before 625 was available for all three channels.
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Old 27th Jul 2019, 10:29 am   #24
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405 line was still needed in parts of the Welsh Marches where UHF failed to reach. The Llandrindod Wells Channel B1 transmitter signal could "reach parts other things could not reach" - and was still going the day after the BBC News said 405 line had ceased...
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Hello Taz.

The photos of the Bush set have jolted my memory, my grandad owned one of these but my memory says it was badged as an HMV version. The top two buttons were 625 and the others were 405.

I remember we had two aerials one was local (Bexley), the other was a London signal and depending which cable was used we could sometimes get Southern ITV
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Old 29th Jul 2019, 4:09 pm   #26
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Doubt it was a Bush in a HMV cabinet, Coop or Defiant perhaps. HMV name was used by the Thorn group.
But then again all sorts of things went on between suppliers.
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Old 29th Jul 2019, 5:17 pm   #27
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HMV & Marconiphone were EMI brands.
Did Thorn (Ferguson brand) buy / licence HMV as a TV brand?

I was repairing 405 & DS sets in mid 1970s I got for nothing and reselling. Usually I disabled the 405-625 switch and often soldered the tags for reliability. That ended when I went to 3rd level / college / Uni /Poly

I bought a Ferguson Thorn TX9 based set in 1976 or 1978 approx for my mum and got it back later about 1994 very lacking in green. I boosted gain on green amp, probably was "green" gun emission? It was recycled in 2006 / 2007 when the tuner wouldn't stay latched and line scan was also unstable.

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Old 29th Jul 2019, 5:37 pm   #28
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Sometime in the late 1950’s HMV badged BRC (Thorn) sets were available, presume it was a license deal of some sort. Thorn and EMI merged in 1979 to form Thorn EMI.
Some history from RM.
https://www.radiomuseum.org/dsp_hers...ompany_id=6239

And a BRC 2000 chassis HMV set.
https://www.radios-tv.co.uk/1967-hmv-2700-colourmaster/
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The TX9 wasn't introduced until 1980 so I suspect you didn't...
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I thought the TX9 became available in the Autumn of 1979 so the OP wasn't that far off with his 1978 guess.

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Regarding the Bush TV161, when I entered the trade in 1971, many of the tower block flats in Birmingham were still relaying at least BBC2 on band 3. IIRC, I think ch10 was used to keep well away from 405 ITV on ch8. I cannot remember if 625 line BBC1 or ITV were ever down converted as it would have been a bit difficult to get these 8 Mhz bandwidth channels all into band 3. Unless one may have been converted to band 1. At Currys the later version of the A640 chassis Bush TV193D was still available on special order for this purpose.

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Regarding the Bush TV161, when I entered the trade in 1971, many of the tower block flats in Birmingham were still relaying at least BBC2 on band 3. IIRC, I think ch10 was used to keep well away from 405 ITV on ch8. I cannot remember if 625 line BBC1 or ITV were ever down converted as it would have been a bit difficult to get these 8 Mhz bandwidth channels all into band 3. Unless one may have been converted to band 1. At Currys the later version of the A640 chassis Bush TV193D was still available on special order for this purpose.

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It's odd now that I think of it but the flats in Manchester and Salford on my patch had BBC2 relayed on a channel roughly corresponding to B8, and Winter Hill ITV was on B9
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Hello Frank.

It did come from a co-op store so more likely it was a Bush set approx 1969 I think and probaly a discount with the dividend scheme. The colour set was purchased from a store in Oxford named Coopers it was a Philips G8 purchased when my grandad took his golden handshake retirement and was purchased so we could watch Prince Charles' investiture in colour.
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i can remember a friend of having dual standard bush tv he could only recieve 405 only he lived in a valley llangollen area in north wales and when the service ended about 1983 i think that was it so when i was asked if i could get anything preferably in colour i went up to try.My friends mother told me a guy had tried a few years before she had him up and down the yard which was on a slope when he told no chance she told him"oh you are not trying" the annoyed gut answered "lady if you want colour reception you will have to move the house stone by stone into llangollen itslelf" and left. anyway i done the same arial in hand and in one spot had a glimmer of hope on signal meter and i think i used 3 high gain antiferance arial amps and their highest psu for them and got a still snowy picture but with colour.Their answer to the problem? they bought a house in llangollen itself with a tv already in the house
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