Survey of R&TVS
 

Following in from Station X's idea in this thread

https://vintage-radio.net/forum/showthread.php?t=19242

Who has which versions of this valuable resource?

Eventually I'll pop all the data into a spreadsheet if there's enough to merit it.


I'll start off
I have a red 5 volume set and then separate volumes up to 1974/75.

The publishers are as follows;

Five volume set and year books 1957/58 to 1963/64 are Newnes.

(My 1964/65 has gone missing but I think that was Newnes as well)

1965/66 to 1968/69 Pergamon Press

1969/70 ILSC (International Learning Systems Corporation Ltd)

1970/71 to 1974/75 (the last one I have) Macdonald Publishing.

Over to the rest of you.

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ISTR an article in the BVWS Bulletin a few years ago which gave a good history of the different series of RTVS. It was a confusing history if I remember correctly.

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I have the following:

two-volume set (published 1952)

six-volume set:
1: pre-1953 radios
2: pre-1953 radios (contd.)/televisions
3: pre-1953 televisions (contd.)
4: 1953-54
5: 1955-56
6: 1956-57

30 annual volumes (starting with 1957-58 and ending 1986-87)

index of volumes to 1986 (a copy of which is referenced earlier in this thread)


Publishers:
George Newnes Ltd up to 1965
Pergamon Press Ltd 1965-69
ILSC 1969-70
Macdonald 1970-74
Macdonald and Jane's 1974-79
Macdonald 1979-86
Macdonald Orbis 1986-87

edit: I forgot to mention colour: all maroonish red (although 1980 onwards have blue dust jackets)
and authors:
up to 1959: Malloy & Poole
1959-66: Hawker & Reddihough
1966-70: Harris (asst. Ferrier & Wainwright)
1970-71: Wainwright (asst. Harris)
1971-87: Wainwright

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my red newnes books vol 1 to 6 . must date to 1960/1 as 1960is covered in the 6th .Being a late run must be why the first one doesnt have receivers like tv12 and tug 12 , but does have tv22
I also have one red volume marked 1959 /60 models this is identical to vol 6 as far as i can see but must be meant to be bought yearly.
I didnt realise i had the 6th volume untill now , thought there was only 5:dunce:

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Will be able to check my northern selection in two or three weeks if you have any enigmas still by then. Dave

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Five-volume set here:
1: Pre-1953 radios, Ambassador to K.B.
2: Pre-1953 radios, McCarthy to Vidor.
3: Pre-1953 TV, Alba to K.B.
4: Pre-1953 TV, McMichael to White-Ibbotson
5: 1953-54.
Annual volumes thereafter, starting with 1955-1956, continuous to 1974-1975.

Paul

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Thanks to all who have contributed so far - keep them coming!

Dave (M)

Thanks for the note on editors, I'd meant to include that but I forgot.

This could become another of my minor obsessions (no wonder Helen worries about me).

Regards,

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mine are as follows:
1: radios, Ambassador to Marconiphone
2: radios, Masteradio to Vidor; televisions, Alba to Ferguson
3: televisions, Ferranti to White-Ibbotson

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ISBNs (International Standard Book Numbers) might be useful, as I believe these identifty a book uniquely. There are certainly different ISBN numbers for hard and soft cover versions of the same book. Probably for each edition and reprint too. Of course early books won't have them. They were introduced in 1970.

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Out of interest here is the advert card from a copy of Radio Constructor from 1960 I would think.

The seven volume set was £11.5s or £11.15s on monthly terms.

If you already had the set 1958/59 was 50/- or 52/6 on monthly terms.

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OK - the first volume I have with an ISBN is 1970/71 SBN 356 03655 3

Then we have

1972/73 ISBN 0 356 04379 7
1973/74 ISBN 0 356 04916 7

From 1965/66 there is a Library of Congress record number 66-19459. This same number appears until the SBN in 1970/71.

I'm not sure what the significance of the Library of Congress record card is. I was under the impression that it was the US version of the ISBN but as it seems to be the same for all the volumes on my shelf between 1965 and 1970 it is probably of less use.

I will ask Helen - there are some advantages to being married to a retired Chartered Librarian (just don't ask here to stamp your books).

Regards,

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My findings echo those of Brian, in that the first ISBN is 1972-1973

1971-1972 has an SBN of 356 041112 3

I agree with Brian with regard to 1972-1974

The ISBNs of the subsequent volumes are as follows:
1974-75 0 356 08182 6
1975-76 0 356 08440 x (yes, an "x" rather than a digit!)
1976-77 0 354 04063 4
1977-78 0 354 04196 7
1978-79 0 354 04377 3
1979-80 0 354 04516 4
1980-81 0 354 04725 6
1981-82 0 356 07873 6
1982-83 0 356 09203 8 (£22.50)
1983-84 0 356 10259 9 (£22.50)
1984-85 0 356 10907 0 (£22.50)
1985-86 0 356 12359 6 (£25.00)
1986-87 0 356 14439 9 (£29.50)

As the last five had the price printed on the jacket flap, I have included this for comparison with Brian's prices quoted above for the early volumes. The sharp increases toward the end may have contributed to their demise in 1987. Although I bought the volumes from 1967 onwards new, I no longer have a record of what I paid for the ones prior to 1983.

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It seems that annual collections WITHOUT a volume number were published from 1955/56 to 1986/87.

There were also VOLUME sets published in various years.

I don't have any of these books, but the volume set held by Suffolk Libraries is as follows:-

Volume 1 Radio Servicing (Part 1) Edward Molloy ISBN GRN00 42251
Volume 2 Radio Servicing (Part 2) Edward Molloy ISBN GRN00 42250
Volume 3 TV Servicing (Part 1) Edward Molloy ISBN GRN00 42249
Volume 4 TV Servicing (Part 2) Edward Molloy ISBN GRN00 42248
Volume 5 1953/54 Models Edward Molloy ISBN GRN00 42159

The ISBNs have rather a strange format and I assume they were allocated retrospectively. I don't know if they're printed in the books.

There appears to have been no 1954/55 book.

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As well as numbered volumes as late as 1956-57.

This is borne out by my set having sequential numbers for 1953-54 and 1955-56.

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Having spoken to Helen, the situation re ISBN is as follows;

In 1970 the system was introduced as SBN (Standard Book Number) and later in 1971 or 1972 was adopted internationally as ISBN.

The ISBN number identifies a particular volume in a series and an edition of that volume (ie a first edition and second edition would have a different ISBN and a hardback a different number from the paperback edition and so on).

The Library of Congress Record number identifies the record card for a title. This explains why the early volumes have the same LofC record number. Thet would locate the card for the title and subsequent year volumes would appear as sub-sets of the same record number.

To quote Helen "I've never understood the US classification system, it's even more complicated than Dewey."

So there you have it!

Regards,

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Here's a list of all the ISBNs I've been able to find. As I said in an earlier post ISBNs didn't come into use until 1970, so I'm not sure how the pre 1970 ISBNs are derived.

Volume 1 Radio Servicing (Part 1) Edward Molloy ISBN GRN00 42251
Volume 2 Radio Servicing (Part 2) Edward Molloy ISBN GRN00 42250
Volume 3 TV Servicing (Part 1) Edward Molloy ISBN GRN00 42249
Volume 4 TV Servicing (Part 2) Edward Molloy ISBN GRN00 42248
Volume 5 1953/54 Models Edward Molloy ISBN GRN00 42159
1954-55 NO BOOK PUBLISHED.
1955-56 GRN 0042 271
1956-57
1957-58
1958-59 GRN 0716 127
1959-60
1960-61
1961-62
1962-63
1963-64
1964-65
1965-66 B 661 9933
1966-67 B 671 8554
1967-68 B 681 6428
1968-69 B 690 8515
1969-70 0 701 40004 8
1970-71 0 356 03655 3
1971-72 0 356 04112 3
1973-74 0 356 04916 7
1974-75 0 356 08182 6
1975-76 0 356 08440 x (yes, an "x" rather than a digit!)
1976-77 0 354 04063 4
1977-78 0 354 04196 7
1978-79 0 354 04377 3
1979-80 0 354 04516 4
1980-81 0 354 04725 6
1981-82 0 356 07873 6
1982-83 0 356 09203 8
1983-84 0 356 10259 9
1984-85 0 356 10907 0
1985-86 0 356 12359 6
1986-87 0 356 14439 9

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Mine were obtained in ones and twos so are not a complete set of one release. I have listed them in date rather than volume number order.

Vol I - Pre 53 part 1 (Radio Ambassador - KB) - Molloy/Poole - 496 pages
Vol II - Pre 53 part 2 (Radio Masteradio - Vidor, TV Alba - Ferguson) - Molloy/Poole - 560 pages
Vol III - Pre 53 part 3 (TV Ferranti - White Ibbotson) - Molloy/Poole - 544 pages
53-54 - Molloy/Poole - 655 pages
Vol II - 55-56 - Hawker - 584 pages
Vol III - 56-57 - Hawker - 624 pages
Vol IV - 57-58 - Hawker - 612 pages
Vol V - 58-59 - Hawker - 640 pages
59-60 - Hawker - 656 pages
60-61 - Hawker - 656 pages
61-62 - Hawker - 656 pages
62-63 - Hawker - 656 pages
63-64 - Hawker - 608 pages
64-65 - Hawker - 584 pages
65-66 - Harris - 496 pages (ILSC)
66-67 - Harris - 494 pages (ILSC)
67-68 - Harris - 527 pages (ILSC)
68-69 - Harris - 607 pages (ILSC)
69-70 - Harris - 679 pages (ILSC)
70-71 - Wainwright/Harris - 736 pages - SBN 356 03655 3 (Macdonald)
71-72 - Wainwright - 736 pages - SBN 356 04112 3 (Macdonald)


All Newnes unless stated otherwise.
ILSC = International Learning Systems Corporation

The number of pages is just the number on the last numbered page - there would be a few more if those before page 1 are counted.

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I wonder when the last VOLUME set was published? Chip seems to have a VOLUME set dating from 1961. As the years went on a considerable amount of stuff must have been removed from VOLUME sets to keep them down to a managable size.

Presumably to cover everything you'd need the 1955 five VOLUME set and all the annual books up to 1986/7?

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In a similar vein from the same publisher I also have these earlier books:

Radio Engineers' Service Manual - 1952 - Molloy/Poole - 760 pages - dark blue cover - same sort and style of content as R&TVS but with the manufacturers in random order.

Newnes' Complete Wireless volumes 1 to 4 - Molloy/Stranger - not dated but I would guess late 30s, brown covers, less consistent than R&TVS with different authors and manufacturers contributing info. I think these are quite sought after as I paid about £35 in a BVWS auction for them....

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1932-33, Paul. It was published in 32 weekly parts with an option of having them bound: I just have most of the weekly issues in the form in which they were sold, with decorative covers and advertising matter inside. Part 32 includes an offer of a reduced price for binding Volume IV, 4/9d instead of the usual 5/6d if the parts were sent to the bindery by May 9th 1933.

Paul

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That would explain the magazine-like format with things chopped up into bite-sized articles and series' of articles spread through the four volumes.

Mine have no adverts and I'm sure were sold as a set of books, probably some time after the series finished.

In total there are 1544 pages in the four volumes.

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In addition to those already stated, I have volumes 2-4 of this set, but I'm missing volume 1 (and volume 5, which is presumably not identical to volume 4 of my other set).

If I'm not careful, I could find myself trying to build up a collection of the different variants:-) It would, however, be nice to have a set that ties in with the Cumulative Index.

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Well., maybe it is and maybe it isn't ;) Except of course for the volume number. My Volume V runs to 655 pages: as, I note, does Paul Stenning's 53-54 volume. There's a Television Service Areas map on page 6, another map on page 8 showing the BBC's first nine VHF radio stations, and coverage of Recent Developments extends to page 36 with a list of included radio manufacturers/brands following on page 37. If all these are the same I expect you have essentially the same book. Probably :D

Paul

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Last page number on my 1953-54 volume is 640, but ties up with the rest of your description, so I expect that the preamble is the same but there has been some pruning in the service data.

Here are the contents pages from my volume:

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Ah, then it seems that most of the difference is in the indexes at the back: though the contents pages you give are differently arranged in my volume, in single rather than double columns and with the Radio page starting the Radio data section (p.37) and the TV one beginning the TV section (p.251). I hope that's clearer than mud! The Vidor TV section starts in my volume as in yours on page 629, and in mine it ends on p. 636. Page 637 then announces the two indexes: a general one for the volume, occupying pages 639-645, and an Index to Models covering the full five volumes of the set, on pages 646-655. So I suspect that when it comes to actual data absolutely nothing has been changed between my volume and yours, including the pagination, but for the possibility of some small corrections.

Paul

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In my set the indexes are still in volume 5, which is the following volume (1955-56).

On this basis I would have no practical gain in acquiring the "volume 5" version of 1953-54.

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I have the six volume maroon bound set all by E. Molloy and W.F. Poole, published by George Newnes Limited, and printed by Richard Clay of Bungay.
Vol I Radio Data (Pre-1953 Models)
Vol II Television Data (Pre-1953 Models)
Vol III Radio and Television Servicing 1953-54 Models
Vol IV Radio and Television Servicing 1955-56 Models
Vol V Radio and Television Servicing 1956-57 Models
Vol VI Radio and Television Servicing 1957-58 Models

They have all been printed at the same time, as the first volume refers to the others in the preface.

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Here's my contribution:

A seven volume set by E. Molloy, J.P. Hawker and W.F. Poole. Published by George Newnes Ltd. All have serial No. 78159 opposite page to Preface. :-

I. Radio - Bush to Vidor. pp.560.
II. Television - Alba to White-Ibbotson. pp.560.
III. Radio (1953-54) - Ambassador to Vidor, Television (1953-54) - Ace to Vidor. pp.544.
IV. Radio (1955-56) - Ace to Vidor, Television (1955-56) - Alba to Vidor. pp.584.
V. Radio (1956-57) - Ambassador to Webcor, Television (1956-57) - Alba to Vidor. pp.624.
VI. Radio (1957-58) - Alba to Vidor, Television (1957-58) - Alba to Ultra. pp.639.
VII. Radio (1958-59) - Alba to Walter, Television (1958-59) - Alba to Ultra. pp.672.

Two odd volumes by E. Molloy and W.F. Poole. Published by George Newnes Ltd. :-

III. Section 5 (a). Television - Philips to Invicta (obviously not in alphabetical order). pp.496.
IV. Section 5 (b). Television - Marconiphone to Philco (again, not in alphabetical order). pp.496.

Individual volumes published by George Newnes Ltd. :-

1957-58. Radio - Alba to Vidor, Television - Alba to Ultra. By E. Molloy and W.F. Poole. pp.640. plus some fold-out pages at the back.

1961-62. Radio - Alba to Ultra, Television - Argosy to Ultra. By J.P.Hawker. pp.656.

Individual volumes published by Pergamon Press Ltd. :-

1965-66. Radio - Alba to Ultra, Television - Alba to Thorn. By J.P. Hawker and J. Reddihough. pp.496. LCCC no. 66-19459. 5(R)867.

1966-67. Radio - Alba to Ultra, Television - Alba to Ultra. By J. Harris, C.M. Ferrier and R.N. Wainwright. pp.494. LCCC no. 66-19459. 8267/598(R).

A single volume published by George Newnes Ltd. :-

Television Engineers' Servicing Manual. Pye to White-Ibbotson (not in alphabetical order). By E. Molloy and W.F. Poole. pp.654. Published 1952.

I think that's them all!

Keith

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It looks like so far the following VOLUME sets have been identified. The year given is for the newest model covered, which may or may not be the year of publication.

1952?? 2 Volumes.
1953
1954 5 Volumes.
1955
1956
1957 6 Volumes.
1958 7 Volumes.
1959 7 Volumes.
1960 6 Volumes.

Anyone disagree? Was there a VOLUME set published every year? Can anyone fill in the gaps?

The 1952 set was pretty thin at two volumes. Did it actually contain service sheets or was it a how to do it guide?

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Hi Graham,

The Television Engineers' Servicing Manual from 1952 is exactly the same format as the later combined volumes, the page size is a little smaller though.

Keith

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As you can see from the attached indexes, there are both service data and general sections.

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I have:
R&TVS E. Molloy/W.E. Poole Volume 3 Part 1 and Volume 4 part 2
Both have maroon covers and 496 pages each.

Neither has any date reference although Volume 3 has five transmitter coverage maps so it must be post '52.

Volume 3 covers Philips to Invicta
Volume 4 covers Ambassador to Vidor

Peter