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FERNSEH 16th Jan 2020 8:24 pm

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That's the other side panel re-veneered. The left side panel will be the one with the on-off switch.

DFWB.

FERNSEH 25th Jan 2020 9:29 pm

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Assembly of the side panels has started. The Attachment shows the inside of the right side panel.

DFWB.

line sync 26th Jan 2020 10:08 am

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Keep up the good work david , your doing a great job.

Robin

FERNSEH 29th Jan 2020 4:25 pm

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First picture. That wasn't too difficult after all. Today I refitted the timebase controls door ball catch to the front panel.

Second picture.
Over the weekend the left side panel was reassembled. Also the cabinet floor plinth. Not too sure about that one and it's possible a new one might be have to be made. The old plinth had received some attention from the woodworms.

DFWB.

mark pirate 30th Jan 2020 5:02 pm

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The old plinth had received some attention from the woodworms.
No point in risking it, after all the hard work you have put in the last thing you need is a re infestation!
:beer:
Mark

FERNSEH 30th Jan 2020 9:21 pm

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"No point in risking it, after all the hard work you have put in the last thing you need is a re infestation!" Mark.

Hi Mark,
It's an easy enough part to replicate. Took a look at the reassembled plinth this morning and it is a horrible looking thing, and as you say there might well be some wee things living in it.

DFWB.

beery 31st Jan 2020 1:46 pm

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Originally Posted by FERNSEH (Post 1212289)
The old plinth had received some attention from the woodworms.

DFWB.

Well certainty the plinth has to be very strong on such a heavy set. Maybe a new one would be safer even just from a structural point of view.

Cheers
Andy

FERNSEH 1st Feb 2020 4:49 pm

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At last it's beginning to look like a Baird T5 again.

DFWB.

FERNSEH 7th Feb 2020 9:39 pm

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Final assembly of the cabinet started today. The cabinet parts shown in the attachment have been glued into position. The timebase controls door opens and closes as it should.

DFWB.

FERNSEH 8th Feb 2020 10:18 pm

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The left side panel was fitted today.

The cabinet floor was test fitted but will not be screwed and glued into position until all the guide blocks for the two power supply units are fitted.

DFWB.

FERNSEH 12th Feb 2020 4:56 pm

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It's the new cabinet floor that is receiving attention to today. With a little fettling it's now a perfect fit. But before it is screwed and glued into position the wooden blocks which locate the two power units must be fitted first.
The cabinet floor certainly stiffens up the cabinet structure.

DFWB.

FERNSEH 14th Feb 2020 1:20 pm

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I now have to determine the exact positions for the Power supply units and the central wooden block that supports the focus coil assembly.

DFWB.

FERNSEH 22nd Feb 2020 9:49 pm

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Real progress today. At last this is for real and not test fitment of parts.
Apart from the blocks which are screwed and glued into position and used to locate the panels all the other parts are removable to do any servicing or replacement.
When did you ever see a spirit level used to repair a TV set?

DFWB.

Freya 22nd Feb 2020 10:08 pm

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A fine achievement so far, keep it up :thumbsup:

FERNSEH 23rd Feb 2020 12:49 am

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Hi Steven,
The job for next week will be to drill holes in the upper panel for the controls and tuning scale. Also, more cabinet trim parts to fit. It really is looking like a T5 now.

DFWB.

FERNSEH 26th Feb 2020 5:05 pm

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More progress today. The control panel assembly is complete and has been test fitted into the cabinet. Not much more to do to the cabinet now.

DFWB.

peter_scott 26th Feb 2020 5:40 pm

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It's going to look very good!

Peter

FERNSEH 27th Feb 2020 10:17 am

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Hi Peter,
There is almost enough spare parts left over to construct another T5. Just have to go looking for another wreck to rebuild.
The loudspeaker doesn't look very nice but it does work OK. Makes a good sound.

DFWB.

FERNSEH 27th Feb 2020 5:48 pm

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The cabinet mirror lid was one of the many original parts which was salvaged and refurbished.

DFWB.

Heatercathodeshort 27th Feb 2020 9:53 pm

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What an epic journey! The men in white coats are just around the corner waiting to pounce. The cosmetic parts of a restoration is always the most difficult.
Seriously, well done! John.

System A 27th Feb 2020 11:00 pm

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Hi David, what a superb job you're making of this restoration.
I'm throughly enjoying this thread.
Regards.
Gary

mark pirate 28th Feb 2020 11:39 am

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I am in awe at your cabinet skills David, Looking forward to see the finish go on!
:beer:
Mark

stevehertz 28th Feb 2020 12:55 pm

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This is a critical stage now as all that excellent woodwork needs to be topped with appropriate coloured lacquers and/or the use of stains beforehand. I once completely stripped a small Marconi radiogram. Once stripped, the various wood panels and edhe mouldings were different coloured woods. It was a hell of a game trying to get finishes to match up. I didn't quite achieve it! Best of luck David, I'm sure you're going to amaze us again.

Panrock 28th Feb 2020 2:13 pm

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First, a big (and humble) "well done" for what David (DFWB) has achieved here. Not many would have taken this job on. Still fewer managed to obtain such a good result.

There are probably as many opinions on the subject of finishing as there are people here. As I've said before, I personally am opposed to the use of stains for tinting purposes. By the thirties and forties, coloured toning lacquers were the order of the day for the mass marketed radio industry, and using these again will be good for originality. Moreover, when using a spray gun, their density can be controlled by mixing with the filler/base coat. One advantage here is that you gain more grain pit filling, and another from using toner is that the colours of adjacent (different) sprayed panels will tend to converge.

I think David said he is going the French Polish route here, however. I'm sure the final result will be most impressive.

Steve

FERNSEH 28th Feb 2020 4:21 pm

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Panrock wrote:
"There are probably as many opinions on the subject of finishing as there are people here. As I've said before, I personally am opposed to the use of stains for tinting purposes. By the thirties and forties, coloured toning lacquers were the order of the day for the mass marketed radio industry, and using these again will be good for originality. Moreover, when using a spray gun, their density can be controlled by mixing with the filler/base coat. One advantage here is that you gain more grain pit filling, and another from using toner is that the colours of adjacent (different) sprayed panels will tend to converge."

I think David said he is going the French Polish route here, however. I'm sure the final result will be most impressive.


Hi Steve,

rather than French polishing the completed cabinet I'm considering passing the final finishing to a local firm to have it spray painted just as it was done in 1937 when the set was made. A very dark lacquer was used for the original finish, the norm for those times. It's something to be discussed with the owner of the set.

DFWB.

FERNSEH 28th Feb 2020 4:31 pm

Re: Baird T5 restoration project.
 
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Originally Posted by stevehertz (Post 1221015)
This is a critical stage now as all that excellent woodwork needs to be topped with appropriate coloured lacquers and/or the use of stains beforehand. I once completely stripped a small Marconi radiogram. Once stripped, the various wood panels and edhe mouldings were different coloured woods. It was a hell of a game trying to get finishes to match up. I didn't quite achieve it! Best of luck David, I'm sure you're going to amaze us again.

Hi Steve,
on the previous page the picture of the almost completed cabinet clearly shows the different coloured woods used during the assembly. That's why I'm sure all those mass produced radios were always in a dark finish. Helps to hide some of the imperfections as well. How often have you seen that after stripping off the lacquered surfaces off old radios?

DFWB.

Magpie66 28th Feb 2020 9:53 pm

Re: Baird T5 restoration project.
 
When we rescued this T5 it was full of woodworm and dust and was only held together by the veneer and varnish. Now look at it. A piece of history brought back to life. After we acquired this Television we were unsure what to do with it as it was in such a bad condition but thanks to feedback from various members on this forum we decided to have it renovated and so many people recommended David.
You have done a grand job and I donít think we could have chosen a better person to complete the work.
Keep it up.
Ant and Tina

stevehertz 29th Feb 2020 12:00 pm

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Originally Posted by FERNSEH (Post 1221068)
Panrock wrote:
"There are probably as many opinions on the subject of finishing as there are people here. As I've said before, I personally am opposed to the use of stains for tinting purposes. By the thirties and forties, coloured toning lacquers were the order of the day for the mass marketed radio industry, and using these again will be good for originality. Moreover, when using a spray gun, their density can be controlled by mixing with the filler/base coat. One advantage here is that you gain more grain pit filling, and another from using toner is that the colours of adjacent (different) sprayed panels will tend to converge."
I think David said he is going the French Polish route here, however. I'm sure the final result will be most impressive.

Hi Steve,
rather than French polishing the completed cabinet I'm considering passing the final finishing to a local firm to have it spray painted just as it was done in 1937 when the set was made. A very dark lacquer was used for the original finish, the norm for those times.
It's something to be discussed with the owner of the set.

DFWB.

Definitely the way to go. Nonetheless, a lacquer - even a dark one - can only 'equalise' the colour of woods underneath to some extent. Personally I would consider using stains on the bare wood to 'help' the process prior to spraying, and that would also mean that you would not have to use such a dark lacquer. As I recall, the T5 was not finished in a dark colour, more of a medium brown.

The original lacquer would have been cellulose. Not sure if you're able to get someone to use that, but that's what it was.


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