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Old 20th Nov 2017, 9:41 pm   #21
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Colours are orange,white,orange, silver
measures 47k
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Old 20th Nov 2017, 11:41 pm   #22
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Black = 0,
Brown = 1,
Red = 2,
Orange = 3,
Yellow = 4,
Green = 5,
Blue =6,
Purple =7,
Grey = 8,
White = 9

First band is first digit,
Second band is second digit,
Third band is number of zeros.
fourth band is tolerance none=20%, silver is 10%, gold is 5%.

So your resistor is 39000 Ohms, 39k Ohms, 10%. So it is out of tolerance
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Old 21st Nov 2017, 3:42 pm   #23
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Pin 1 h
Pin 2 a-hex 120V
Pin 3 a-t 60V measured 0,1V
Pin 4 g-t
Pin 5 screen-hex 60V measured 81V
Pin 6 g-hex
Pin 7 k 1.2V measured 1.3V
Pin 8 h

R3 k 220
R4 g-t 47k

The triode grid is referred to the cathode via R4 and should be negative with respect to to the cathode.
The triode anode is fed through a coil depending on the band chosen and should be similar to pin 5 screen-hex. There is an obvious fault here, find the break, it could be in the wavechange switch or the coil.

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Old 21st Nov 2017, 5:33 pm   #24
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If pin 3 of the UCH42 has not got around 81v on any of the wavebands and yet the screen has 81v, then its either all the switch contacts S19,S20,S21 or all the coils L11,L12,L13 are open circuit, very improbable.
I suspect the wiring may have been got at, especially as the extra resistor seems to be connected to this valve holder.
You will have to check the circuit through with a meter from R2 (15k ohms, brown, green, orange ) to the anode pin3 on each waveband.
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Old 21st Nov 2017, 7:38 pm   #25
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There appears to be a missing wire...screen grid to osc coils.

Photo here showing where the missing link wire is connected to from the screen grid to osc coils:

https://www.vintage-radio.net/forum/...4&d=1501362155

It still doesn't account for the 39k resistor feed from HT to the osc anode though, if that's where it was connected to, two possibilities I can think of are...an attempt to tame an osc that has birdies or a mod to convert from series fed feedback to shunt fed feedback for whatever reason, if it was the latter I would expect to see an extra capacitor somewhere as a DC blocker.

Just thinkin'

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Old 21st Nov 2017, 7:54 pm   #26
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Hi Lads,
no luck so far in locating break in supply but while doing that came across additional wire connecting coil and wave changer. This wire is not present in another working AC 11 I completed some time ago.
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Yes Lawrence you are right ....there is a wire missing from pin 5 to coil
see photos
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It's a bit of a mess, if you look at the wave band switch where that extra wire from the osc coil assembly is connected it appears to connect to the PU side of S22 which in turn connects to the PU socket itself if I'm looking at things right.....See here:

http://www.vintage-radio.net/forum/a...6&d=1156968882

I would be looking at putting things back as per the schematic...very slowly...then take things from there.

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Old 21st Nov 2017, 11:03 pm   #29
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Yes,thanks for that ...I will start putting things back again tomorrow
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Old 22nd Nov 2017, 12:56 pm   #30
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It's a bit of a mess, if you look at the wave band switch where that extra wire from the osc coil assembly is connected it appears to connect to the PU side of S22 which in turn connects to the PU socket itself if I'm looking at things right...
Correction to the above According to the Trader sheet, that wire from the osc coil/trimmer assembly is connected to S14 not S22.

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Old 22nd Nov 2017, 5:50 pm   #31
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Hi Lads,
I have replaced the "missing wire on pin 3 V1 and removed the additional wire connecting the coil to wave changer.
I have the following voltages on V1
Pin 2 109.0
Pin 3 57.0
Pin 5 57.0
Pin 7 1.3
I can now tune in RTE LW, BBC LW but the volume is extremely low. Almost inaudible unless I put my ear to the speaker.
Some MW but unable to clarify. I had already cleaned the volume control switch but will look at this again, any other possibilities??.....Making progress!
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Check how it performs on "gram" with an input from MP3 or CD or record etc. If the volume then is reasonable you can reckon that the audio stages V3 and V4 are working reasonably.
Check C29 (trader sheet) carefully for leakage before running it for too long, there should be less than a volt on the grid of the output valve, pin 6 of V4 else you risk your output transformer. If in doubt, replace it.
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You still have not measured the voltage of the V1 triode grid (pin4).
This should be a few volts negative. If the oscillation level is low, the sensitivity could be low.

A more likely cause is that the phantom fiddler has twiddled the IF transformer cores and the set is well out of tune. You will need a signal generator and counter to re-align but the cores may be seized and can easily be broken.
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Old 23rd Nov 2017, 4:44 pm   #34
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Pin 4 V1 is measuring -6.3
Pin 6 V4 is measuring .02v
Checking Volume switch again
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Old 23rd Nov 2017, 5:04 pm   #35
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Oscillator is running OK. Coupling cap seems good too, unusually.
Check the audio output as my last post to determine whether the volume is low due to the IF being down or the audio stages. Otherwise you will be chasing your tail.
Only attempt re-alignment if it has been "twiddled" as its a risk you may not need to take. The adjusters were sealed with a white compound in the factory, if its still there the alignment should still be correct.
The IF cores can break but the ones in the side of the cans with lock nuts are better than the ones in top and bottom.
Slacken the nuts before trying to move them to correct the alignment if you find you must re-align the set.
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Old 24th Nov 2017, 6:43 pm   #36
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Hi Lads,
Removed volume control, dismantled and cleaned again,refitted and low and behold, full volume, tone excellent, no crackles. Now tuning a wide range of stations on LW/MW
Entirely possible one of the solder joints was not up to scratch after my initial cleaning of the volume control. Happy now and thanks to all for contributions and pointers.
I will post a pic when fully re-assembled
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Old 26th Nov 2017, 12:46 pm   #37
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Hi Lads,
Photos of radio. There are a few scratches and marks reflecting it's age. I considered sanding down the complete cabinet and re-varnishing but decided against that as I wanted it to look original. I did remove both grills and cleaned and repainted them. other than that plenty of wax and polishing
Thanks again for all your help
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