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Old 4th Dec 2016, 1:45 pm   #21
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Default Re: Tandberg 64x after changing capacitors

Before we go any further what meter range did you use when checking those cathodes which should only have 0.5V or 0.8V on them? You need to use a low range for this.

Please confirm that you're using a DC Voltage Range and not AC.
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on the top of the above....

I see there is a 1M resistor connected to that pin 7 where i measured 252V which i think it should not be there....could be that resistor faulty?

The other interesting is that I am looking at the prints of the circuit board and noticed that all the pin 4 and 5 are are connected through the tubes...i can go a full circle between them....so all tubes should have 35V on each pins as they should be connected. But out of the 4 tubes, only two has that voltage...so somewhere there must be a broken line or something....

am I seeing this right?
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Old 4th Dec 2016, 1:51 pm   #23
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hmmmm okay...will measure again....i have measured them on 250V setting the lower i can go on my meter is 20V....

which pins I should measure with the lowest voltage?
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20V DC range is better.

Easiest thing to do is start on the highest voltage range and switch down to lower ranges until you get a reading.

While you're at it check the HT voltages on the positive sides of C109, C110, C127, C128, C213, C214, C223 and C224.
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One other thought. Do you have the mains voltage selector set to match your mains voltage?
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Thanks Graham.

Did a new readings additional to my previous ones...

Some of the pins are still reads 0V


ECC83's #1

pin2= 0
pin3= 0,8
pin4+5= 0
pin7=0,8
pin8= 0,8~1.1V
pin9= 1,5 V

ECC83 #2

pin 2 3 4 5 =0V
pin7+8= 0,8
pin 9= 0V

ECC83 #3
pin 2,3,4,5= 0
pin 7= 2,2V
pin 8= 1,5V
pin 9= 1,5~2V

ECC83 #4
pin2+3= 0V
pin 4+5= 3V
pin8=0
pin9= 2,2 V

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ECC81 #1

pin2= 0,9
pin3= 0,8
pin7= 0,8~5,1 V
pin8= 0,8
pin9= 1,1

ECC81 #2
pin2=0,9
pin3=0,6
pin7= 1,7V~7V
pin8=0,8
pin9=1,2V

ECC82 #1
pin2= 15V
pin7= 0,8
pin9=1,2

ECC82 #2

pin2=1,3V
pin4=3V
pin7=1,5V~20V
pin9=1,3V

i am getting a bit confused...
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yes...mains set to 250V
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Pins 4, 5 and 9 are all heater pins. If all the valves light up, there should be no need to check these.

However your readings on these pins do not look right. Put you meter on the 20V DC range across pins 4 and 5 of each valve and check that you have 12.6V. That's between pins 4 and 5, not chassis to pins 4 and 5.

Your anode readings seem way too high. Did you check the HT voltage on the capacitors?
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Old 4th Dec 2016, 2:56 pm   #29
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all tubes pins 4 and 5 measures 0 Voltage. I didn't check the caps yest, but I have changed the caps you mentioned last week with factory brand new ones...
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Sorry, but if a valve has 0V on its heaters it cannot possibly light up.

Please confirm that you connected one lead of your meter to pin 4 of the valve under test and the other lead to pin 5 of the valve under test.

If you measure to chassis expect to see 0V, 6.3V, 12.6V, 19.9V or 25.2V depending on the valve pin and valve. That's to pins 4, 5 and 9.
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Old 4th Dec 2016, 3:18 pm   #31
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Thanks Graham...maybe I as doing something wrong here....i have removed all the valves. Switched the unit on and did the pin 4 to 5 of the valve socket against each other. When I have done my measurements, I have removed all the valves.

I will do this again and will report... Thank you for your patience and help
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That might explain the problems in making measurements.

Voltage tests need to be done with all the valves plugged in and with mains power applied..
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okay...I have set my voltmeter to 200mV with 20V i could not measure anything...

Its never stays on one measures...always going to minus and plus all the time when i measure the pin 4 and 5 against each other.

ECC81s

-1 to +1
0,2 to 1,9

ECC83
-1,5 to 0,7
0,1 to 2,1
-1,8 to 0,6
0,4 to 3

ECC82
0,6 to 2,4
-2,2 to 0,9
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okay...ignore the above then...I have removed all the tubes...

will check again later on today
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Old 4th Dec 2016, 4:41 pm   #35
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That might explain the problems in making measurements.

Voltage tests need to be done with all the valves plugged in and with mains power applied..

Hi Graham, I really appreciate your time and help....really thank you so much.

Measured the following on each tubes pins 4-5:

ECC83s
12.55V, 12.43V, 13.07V, 13.33V

ECC82s
11.86V, 12.24V

ECC81s
12.95V, 12.98V

Not sure are these within the normal range...the other measurments I have done on pin 1, 7 without the tubes in are they useful? That one ecc83 pin 7 ith 256V worries me (and many other stuff with this too)...

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Those readings are all good!

Now measure the other pins again with the valves plugged in.
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against the chassis for the ground?
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Against the chassis.
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Here it is:

ECC81s

1: 19V 1: 19V
2: 0V 2: 0V
3: 0V 3: 0V
4: 70V 4: 72V
5: 26V 5: 25V
6: 12V 6: 12V
7: 2V 7: 2V
8: 0V 8: 0V
9: 137V 9: 87V

ECC82s

1: 18V 1: 19V
2: 29V 2: 31V
3: 6V 3: 6V
4: 196V 4: 191V
5: 25V 5: 25V
6: 13V 6: 13V
7: 1V 7: 1V
8: 0V 8: 0v
9: 52V 9: 42V

ECC83s

1: 130V 1: 123V 1:122V 1: 3V (anodes)
2: 0V 2:0V 2: 0V 2: 7V (grids)
3: 1V 3: 1V 3: 1V 3: 2V (cathodes)
4: 0V 4: 0V 4:0V 4: 3V (heaters)
5: 12V 5: 0V 5: 13V 5: 3V (heaters)
6: 136V 6:126V 6: 91V 6: 13V (anodes)
7: 0V 7: 0V 7: 0V 7: 0V (grids)
8: 1V 8: 1V 8: 0V 8: 0V (cathodes)
9: 6V 9: 6V 9: 6V 9: 0V (heater centre taps)

I think some of the readings shows something bad...the lastECC83 tube in the row....

Thanks again Graham!
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There's something wrong with your measuring technique here.

The heater voltages are all wrong with respect to the chassis.

Instead of measuring with respect to chassis, try measuring with respect to the negative side of one of the capacitors mentioned in post #24.
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